wsgdf_2 Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=12776 Five-Star Prospects 1. Chris Sale, LHP Four-Star Prospects 2. Eduardo Escobar, SS 3. Brent Morel, 3B Three-Star Prospects 4. Dayan Viciedo, 1B/3B 5. Jared Mitchell, CF 6. Jacob Petricka, RHP 7. Greg Infante, RHP 8. Trayce Thompson, OF Two-Star Prospects 9. Addison Reed, RHP 10. Thomas Royse, RHP 11. Andre Rienzo, RHP Nine More: 12. Tyler Saladino, SS: Last year's seventh-round pick had a stunning pro debut, and he's a legit shortstop. 13. Tyler Flowers, C: His offensive and defense both went backward in 2010, leaving many to see him as a Quad-A player who can't catch in the big leagues. 14. Brandon Short, OF: He can definitely hit, but he has very few secondary skills. 15. Anthony Carter, RHP: The Sox' Double-A closer has mid-90s heat, but he lacks a second plus pitch. 16. Josh Phegley, C: He sure can hit, but he also sure can't catch. 17. Matt Heidenreich, RHP: This 2009 fourth-rounder has great control of solid stuff that should get better. 18. Charles Leesman, LHP: Leesman is a big, physical lefty who had a strong second half, but his lack of a deep arsenal could get him moved to the bullpen. 19. Santos Rodriguez, LHP: This long southpaw has killer stuff, but he also has poor control and an inability to stay healthy. 20. Jordan Danks, OF: Well, at least he still has some tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Escobar over Dayan and Mitchell, eh? Very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrenBlackwood Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Buch is staying with Addison Reed right now, prepping for mini camp ...kinda cool to see his name on here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 04:24 PM) Escobar over Dayan and Mitchell, eh? Very interesting. Yeah he went from under the radar to overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 09:30 PM) Yeah he went from under the radar to overrated. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 First thing I thought too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 08:30 PM) Yeah he went from under the radar to overrated. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Ball Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jan 26, 2011 -> 02:30 AM) Yeah he went from under the radar to overrated. It's a typical KG ranking though. Escobar's a legit short stop prospect, in a weak system AND he's from Venezuela. He was bound to sit near the top of this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Jan 26, 2011 -> 11:20 AM) It's a typical KG ranking though. Escobar's a legit short stop prospect, in a weak system AND he's from Venezuela. He was bound to sit near the top of this list. Is Escobar supposed to pick it like Lexei? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 26, 2011 -> 07:35 PM) Is Escobar supposed to pick it like Lexei? From everything I've read he's superb defensively and his glove is already ML ready. It's his hitting which will determine how much of an impact, if any, he ever makes at the major league level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) Tayler Flowers and Jordan Danks, won't say anything else here. Edited January 27, 2011 by justBLAZE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 09:17 AM) From everything I've read he's superb defensively and his glove is already ML ready. It's his hitting which will determine how much of an impact, if any, he ever makes at the major league level Could come in handy when the Yankees steal Alexei from us after Jeter changes position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 10:02 AM) Could come in handy when the Yankees steal Alexei from us after Jeter changes position. In 2014? I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 01:46 PM) In 2014? I guess. Alexei is already 29, so he would be up there in age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) Alexei is already 29, so he would be up there in age. Yeah, that was kind of my point. If the Yankees want him in his age 33 season, sure, go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I thought Alexei is signed through 2011 and that's it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 03:31 PM) I thought Alexei is signed through 2011 and that's it? I think he would have 2 more years of arb after that, right? Aren't the first 6 professional years under a team's control, so his contract (4 yrs) + 2 years?, which would mean he is a FA after the 2013 season. Anyone confirm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 02:31 PM) I thought Alexei is signed through 2011 and that's it? Yes, but he's also arb-eligible for 2 more years after that, so he's under team control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 That's awsome, thanks for clearing that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 04:24 PM) Escobar over Dayan and Mitchell, eh? Very interesting. I was listening to their podcast and Goldstein said he takes position scarcity strongly into effect so that's why. I don't get it. I don't think he is anything but a .260., ML slap hitter with a great glove. Those guys are more prevalent than a 40-plus HR, .300 BA guy like Viciedo. Do analysts realize that he is still ONLY 21 years old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 04:42 PM) I was listening to their podcast and Goldstein said he takes position scarcity strongly into effect so that's why. I don't get it. I don't think he is anything but a .260., ML slap hitter with a great glove. Those guys are more prevalent than a 40-plus HR, .300 BA guy like Viciedo. Do analysts realize that he is still ONLY 21 years old? The weird thing is....260 slap hitters with great gloves seemingly have become fairly highly prized at the SS position, especially now that there are general defensive metrics so that you can confirm how good defensively a player is. A .260 hitter with a great glove pretty much describes Elvis Andrus and Alcides Escobar , and these guys have been viewed as very high level prospects. Both of them had minor league OPS's right around .700 and have hit .265 and .250 in the big leagues overall so far, with OPS's in the mid .600's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 04:33 PM) The weird thing is....260 slap hitters with great gloves seemingly have become fairly highly prized at the SS position, especially now that there are general defensive metrics so that you can confirm how good defensively a player is. A .260 hitter with a great glove pretty much describes Elvis Andrus and Alcides Escobar , and these guys have been viewed as very high level prospects. Both of them had minor league OPS's right around .700 and have hit .265 and .250 in the big leagues overall so far, with OPS's in the mid .600's. Well has it been justifiable? Are they actually worth that much? I mean, you essentially acknowledged that other players have been graded highly, but is it fair? I don't know that it is. Escobar had an OK year offensively, hit the ball well over a short time frame in the AFL, and suddenly he's the 2nd best prospect in the White Sox system? I think Viciedo and Morel have much, much brighter futures in the majors than Escobar does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 06:28 PM) Well has it been justifiable? Are they actually worth that much? I mean, you essentially acknowledged that other players have been graded highly, but is it fair? I don't know that it is. Escobar had an OK year offensively, hit the ball well over a short time frame in the AFL, and suddenly he's the 2nd best prospect in the White Sox system? I think Viciedo and Morel have much, much brighter futures in the majors than Escobar does. If a guy is worth as much defensively as UZR says he is, then probably, yes he is worth that much. This is one of those areas though where I start questioning total faith in the advanced defensive metrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Yeah, it comes down to how many hits does a top tier SS save vs. an average one and how many hits does a guy with a mid .600 OPS cost his offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 06:53 PM) If a guy is worth as much defensively as UZR says he is, then probably, yes he is worth that much. This is one of those areas though where I start questioning total faith in the advanced defensive metrics. This is where your eyes come into play. If you've seen Andrus or Escobar even a few times you can see the special defensive ability they have. Metrics are nice and good for the game. But to rely on metrics alone is futile. Edited January 28, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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