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post Jan 13, 2017 -> 09:28 AM
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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 09:26 AM) *
They can take it all away and use technology to call balls and strikes. MLBN had a thing where Eric Byrnes called a game, I think it was an independent league, behind the plate. They set it up and had someone watch the box on a monitor and told him in an earpiece if the pitch was a ball or a strike. Not one complaint for batter or pitcher or catcher. Seems pretty simple.


I'm totally fine with robot umpires but did want to note some recent pieces showing that the distance between bad and good pitch framers is tightening so the good news is so long as we don't sign Dioner Navarro, soon teams will adjust so even if you have a bad pitch framer it will be no where near as bad as having the worst pitch framer 4-5 years ago.
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post Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:14 AM
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QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 12:58 AM) *
Yeah, he could very well hit something like .260 with an OBP around .390 and 30 dingers. Moncada might be more of a .295 hitter with an OBP around .370 and 20 dingers. I guess it's kind of preference as to which of those statlines you'd prefer to have.


5 players in baseball put up a .390 or better OBP last year and only 3 of those hit 30 homers.

I would guess closer to Brian McCann numbers if he hits his peak, and more mid to late career McCann than early career McCann, .250/.340/.460, something like that.
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post Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:14 AM) *
5 players in baseball put up a .390 or better OBP last year and only 3 of those hit 30 homers.

I would guess closer to Brian McCann numbers if he hits his peak, and more mid to late career McCann than early career McCann, .250/.340/.460, something like that.


If he hits over 20 homers and can stick behind the plate, I take those numbers all day.
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post Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:20 AM
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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) *
If he hits over 20 homers and can stick behind the plate, I take those numbers all day.


Yes, that is a 2-4 WAR player.
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post Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:41 AM
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I feel like Catcher war is often lower due to games played, is that an accurate statement?
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post Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:44 AM
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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) *
I feel like Catcher war is often lower due to games played, is that an accurate statement?


Probably. Maybe it's adjusted? I'll admit that I have no clue.
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post Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:47 AM
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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) *
I feel like Catcher war is often lower due to games played, is that an accurate statement?


League wide, yes, it's a fairly accurate statement, which is why having a durable, strong receiver is incredibly valuable. There were only 24 catchers in all of baseball last year who ended up with more than 300 plate appearances. Oh, and on a per game basis, Dioner Navarro was the worst catcher among those who qualified for that, but you already knew that.
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post Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:48 AM
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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) *
I feel like Catcher war is often lower due to games played, is that an accurate statement?

Just by way of comparison, Johnny Bench (maybe the best?) totaled 70 WAR in his 12 prime seasons.
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post Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:50 AM
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QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 11:48 AM) *
Just by way of comparison, Johnny Bench (maybe the best?) totaled 70 WAR in his 12 prime seasons.


So an average of 5.83 WAR per season. Nice.
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post Jan 18, 2017 -> 11:17 AM
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Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien
PODCAST: Zack Collins on hitting, catching in majors (says he's ready) & Cubs fans calling him a Schwarber wanna be.

If Collins sticks at catcher, wouldn't Schwarber be a Collins wanna be? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Oh well, that cracked me up when I read it so I thought I would share.
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post Jan 18, 2017 -> 11:41 AM
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I recommend Garfein's podcast if you are starved for sox news. Garfein is pretty entertaining outside of a studio setting and he does a good job putting together interesting people for the podcast outside of expected regulars like hayes/merkin/etc
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post Jan 26, 2017 -> 09:49 PM
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Mariners DFAd Jesus sucre who is not good offensively but I feel like has a pretty good framing rep. Could be a good minor league deal
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post Jan 26, 2017 -> 09:59 PM
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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 09:49 PM) *
Mariners DFAd Jesus sucre who is not good offensively but I feel like has a pretty good framing rep. Could be a good minor league deal

Oh yeah gimme some sugar. This seems like a no-brainer for a camp invite.
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post Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:28 PM
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If anyone can back that up actually I only remember an article from like two years ago on it and I don't have BP sub
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