WestEddy

Who, Fedde or Kopech? Kopech's a head case, and Fedde is a very solid starter, right now. top 10-15?

That was a non-immaculate inning.

He will spend on what his GM tells him will help the club win. Within his own limits. I don't think he needs to grab up every single 10/$400m FA on the market. He needs a GM who can find players away from the top of the market that can produce. We'll see if Getz is that guy.

Behind Crochet, Fedde's going to be one of the best starting pitchers on the market. Kopech still has that stuff, as evidenced by his immaculate inning today.

It's not being upset when somebody doesn't like the job Getz is doing. It's when somebody spends the whole day framing a 27th man call-up as stupid, a mistake, etc, when it's just an innocuous move. It's when a person muses that "nobody can defend" calling up the only infielder on the 40-man when an infielder is needed, when again, it's just an innocuous move. We all get it. You don't like Getz. You come off as silly when you desperately frame every. single. move. as bad, panicky, stupid, etc.

We're probably more alike than you'd care to admit.

Ramos was the only infielder left on the 40-man when they needed an infielder on the big club. He held his own for a week or so, then the league adjusted to him. I see no harm in giving a guy on the 40-man the cup of coffee so he understands the speed of the pro game as he progresses at AAA. The move wasn't a "turd". If Mendick is gone, who replaces him? Somebody who isn't ready? Do they trade for a utility infielder so they have someone who is ready? Most of the stuff you go on and on about for a day isn't anything that needs to be defended. Bringing up a 27th man, a 5th OF, demoting a starting pitcher who has been adjusted to, and can't get out of the 2nd inning, whatever. It's going to be a 115-120 loss team. Getz should be rummaging through the system to see if anybody can play the game right now. I don't think you have any idea if Sheets has value. You should probably seek out the context of my Julks comment. I've been acknowledging he's probably the weak side of a platoon for a while now.

I'm not sure what me saying that Sheets is a lefty bench bat that has value, I would pencil Julks into next year's lineup, or that Zavala is an example of the Sox developing the defensive part of a catcher's game has anything to do with this. You've been braying all day about how stupid Getz is for bringing up players that aren't ready, yet you never disagree with the admins who scream for all minor leaguers to be brought up to "learn" at the major league level. Why is that?

Uh...okay. LOL.

Who says I'm angry?

You're dealing with people who are like a 2-year-old who just learned the power of the word "no". You can say that Garret Crochet has been selected to the All-Star team, and they'll find something to argue against that.

It's weird how you never argue with the admins who scream that we should bring up all of our minor leaguers and let them "learn" at the major league level. It's almost like you don't really believe what you're posting.

You should probably read the whole string. I state that Hostetler did not have "good" draft classes. They developed what they could.

I have no idea what you're arguing here. I have shown that they concentrated on pitching in the 2020, 2021, and 2022 drafts, and that endeavor is already showing success at the ML level.

I guess you're going to keep bouncing around until you say a sentence that cannot be disputed. And you are correct. Outside of Garret Crochet, they haven't draft and developed any "stars" on this current team.

Yes, and yes. Building a future playoff contender starts with building a strong minor league system. And the process has already started to build a strong minor league system, as evidenced by the players I've mentioned previously.

In the 5-round draft of 2020, they took 5 pitchers. In 2021, 10 of the first 12 picks were pitchers. 2022, 6 of the first 7 were pitchers. So, it's fair to say they concentrated on pitching, first. Of those 4 drafts, 2 of the starting pitchers in their rotation have been drafted and developed. One made the All-Star team. I think that's evidence of good drafting and development on the pitching side. I don't think you really believe that a player selected in the last draft or two should be starting at the major league level, yet. So you're judging the entire development system on two high school infielders taken at 1 at & 2 in 2021, and a glove first college SS taken in the 4th round in 2022. 2 offensive players drafted by the White Sox from 2021 onward are now at AAA. But the entire system is suspect until they're making All-Star teams. I agree that they won't be competitive next year. I don't think it will take until 2031, either. The trades they make this TDL and winter meetings will net some offensive prospects closer to the bigs.

He certainly hasn't lived up to his first round pedigree, but he has positive bWAR, and his fWAR has been dinged hard for playing RF.

Again, I'm not going to play the game of "tee-hee, you can't make me say yes" with you. I have tried to show that the list of names at A ball are different than the warm bodies thrown out there during Hostetler's time drafting. These are players who are dominating their level, and playing their way to the next, not just being promoted to make room for the next draft class. MLB players have taken clear steps forward in their approaches to hitting. Korey Lee and Gavin Sheets are two examples. Lenyn Sosa holding his own is another. Colson Montgomery wasn't a big name that fell to the Sox. He was an unknown who they developed into a top 20 prospect. No, I can't show you a list of 5 year major leaguers. Again, it's not accurate to deride a development system that you know has changed and is producing hitters until they have All-Stars multiple years.

You have to draft talent to be able to develop it. I contend we haven't been doing that until 2020. It's disingenuous to pretend things haven't changed until you can point to a positional player who has excelled for the last 4 years in the majors. It's also nice you can point backwards and criticize the previous regime's failures. It's not my job to make you say that "things have changed". Speaking only for the draft, when they obtained talent, they developed it. Not being able to develop Larry King's or Jerry Reinsdorf's sons drafted at 39 isn't really a failure of the development system.

You seem to keep ignoring that the Hostetler didn't have good drafts, whereas Mike Shirley has. Of the higher level draftees the Sox had taken from 2016-2020, 2016 - Zack Collins was a controversial pick, in a horrible draft class. They couldn't fix the hitch in his swing. Alex Call is a 4th OF who was traded, and 2 other organizations haven't been able to tap into his "talent", either. Jameson Fisher - bad pick. 2017 - Jake Burger - they got what they could out of him, and then for him. He seems developed as a hitter. Gavin Sheets? He's probably near his ceiling, oscillating between an OPS of .700 - .750. A lot of teams are running worse out there at 1B. Luis Gonzalez - traded. 2 other organizations haven't tapped into his talent. He's a 4th OF. 2018 - Nick Madrigal - Controversial pick who actually did hit with the White Sox. He never developed as a fielder. Steele Walker - traded, 3 other organizations haven't been able to tap into his talent. Lency Delgado? High school SS who never hit. Probably a bad pick. 2019 - Andrew Vaughn. Maybe this last 6 weeks is what he is. If so, I'd call that developed. James Beard - HS OF who never got going. Maybe a bad pick? I'm not going to get into the water polo star picked by the 10th round who never developed or college catchers who were drafted in the top ten rounds because they could sign at the minimum. The fact that they got later round picks like Romy Gonzalez or Zach Remillard to the majors belies an ability to develop these guys as hitters and fielders. I expect the mob to jump in, now, and mock Remy and Romy as examples, but Hostetler drafted like pure s%*#. Burger, Sheets and Madrigal do hit. They've been developed as hitters. Vaughn looks to be in that group, too. Contrast the Hostetler drafts with the progress shown by Shirley's picks. Tim Elko, Brooks Baldwin, Colson Montgomery are hitting or at least maintaining at higher levels. Jacob Gonzalez and George Wolkow look like raw talent that has been brought along early to have success at levels advanced for them. Caden Conner, Mikey Kane, Ryan Galanie, Rikuu Nishida - they all look like good picks who are excelling at their levels, and are progressing along.

Perhaps Jake Eder has drawn the short straw, and has the onus of holding the pillow over a certain person's face to launch this franchise into the present.

If you want to have this argument, why not just repost the old one you guys deleted? And if our system has gotten Vaughn and Sheets to top out their talent, that's a win.

It's a good thing they fired the GM and VP who were in charge the last 15 years, then.