SoxBlanco

I’d say Leury Garcia is pretty darn close to what you are describing.

I'm not really sure how to answer that. This is a message board where fans discuss things. Are you saying that if we find out we did have an offer out to Bauer but it wasn't enough, we shouldn't post that information here? Or when we found out Joc turned down our original offer...should we not have discussed that here because it didn't matter at that point?

Do you think we haven't even discussed a creative offer with him?

I'd be more worried about not sticking to the plan if our bullpen wasn't so stacked. No reason to use him in high leverage situations all the time when you have the horses we have in the pen.

Haha, agree to disagree!

His innings amount this year will be the same this year regardless of whether he pitches them in the bullpen or in AA as a starter. It doesn't matter how he gets there, so either way, he'll be in the exact same boat come 2022. That's why I want him to work with our major league coaches out of the pen.

Haha, you actually DID type pitches. I thought you meant innings, so I corrected it for you. My bad!

This is flat-out wrong. You definitely can get to 80-100 innings while pitching out of the bullpen for a full year. You can't look at history and see how many guys around baseball hit that mark from the bullpen because those other guys aren't in the same boat. If a plan is put in place for Crochet, they will get him to that innings number.

If Crochet is a multi-inning reliever, then he can enter the game in a variety of situations. Some of his appearances might be high leverage, but some might be in a 10-1 game in the 6th inning. That's the perfect opportunity to work on a third pitch. Also, I don't think a regular schedule matters this year. I believe @ptatc has pointed out that for this year, it doesn't matter how he gets to his ~100 innings. I don't think he's going to be any better off come spring training 2022 if he built up his innings on a regular schedule this year. Look, I completely understand both sides of the argument, and I wouldn't be upset if he started in AA. I just don't understand how people can say this is such a stupid move when it seems more like a decision that could go either way.

Doesn’t sound stupid to me. Build up his innings while getting to work with Katz and contributing to the big league team. But I guess there’s no reason to rehash this argument. As I’ve pointed out throughout this thread, I agree with what the Sox are doing with Crochet. It’s such a unique situation because there aren’t guys like him with such a small amount of innings in previous years. Both options have advantages and disadvantages, but I prefer him working with our big league coaches to build up to 90-100 innings.

I wonder if Hector's tweets truly earned Cruz more money from the Twins.

Most depressing part of this thread is the realization that we only have Engel for three more years. We’re screwed starting in 2024.

The reason I think Vaughn will struggle less than most rookies is because of his approach at the plate. He's not a guy who will just keep chasing sliders away when he first comes up (Eloy, Robert, etc.). Even in the intrasquad games that were televised last year, I remember constantly thinking, "Wow, this guy puts up a professional at-bat every time up there."

Thanks for the info. Do you think Rodon has a better year than Quintana in 2021?

Are the Angels now out on Bauer? Who are the teams that could still be in on him...Mets and Dodgers?

We had black holes in RF and DH in 2020, and we didn't have anybody we could trust to start game 3 of the playoff series. Adding Lynn automatically makes the 2021 team better. I'm not really sure how this is even a question. Nobody can compare the 2020 and 2021 rosters and say that 2020 was better. It's not even close.

Yeah, that’s my understanding.

I’m guessing just because there wouldn’t be room in the schedule to fit that in once they delay the season like they want to. You can’t go too far into November.

Thanks, Rick. That didn’t answer my question at all.

This budget can’t be a strict budget, right? Let’s say Bauer wants to sign a five year, $25M deal with the Sox because he loves us so much. We’re not turning that down because of our budget. I realize that’s a ridiculous hypothetical, but I’m using it to ask an honest question. The budget is not 100% cut and dry, right?

Does Hector have any connections to Bauer?

This is a great point.

I thought that might have happened for a second, but he wouldn’t have added the part about limiting his innings if that was the case.

It “absolutely” means we’re done adding? We must not share the same definition of the word “absolutely”.