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Yeah I also got the distinct impression it was Ryu. Who knows maybe it's both. If the Sox put 125m on the table for Wheeler, they could probably get both Ozuna and Ryu for the same combined dollars (or perhaps a bit more). 3/60 for Ryu and maybe 4/65 for Ozuna?

Looking at his splits, even though he's a RHH he hits like a LHH in that he's much better vs righties than lefties. He had an abnormally low babip so perhaps they are counting on positive regression as well. I still don't see how he fits in the OF though. He isn't a competent RF and there's no place for Eloy except DH if Ozuna is in left (we would still have a RF hole to fill). Unless Hahn is officially giving up on Eloy as a fielder, is gonna put Ozuna in left, still trade a bullpen piece for Joc in RF and then trade all the minor league OFers in a quantity based package for a pitcher.

Poor fit. Can't play RF and another RHH. No!

Yeah Bruce implying Ryu by the sound of it.

The Cubs need to shed salary for Baez and Bryant extensions, right? So why would Darvish cost alot in other assets? I mean besides the political aspect where Theo can't look like he's getting fleeced by Hahn again.

I would hope they would have learned from last year not to be stunned by anything and to always have some contingency plans, but who knows. Rabbit said like a week or so ago they were working on alot of possible trade things, I would assume some of them involved pitchers of Wheeler fell thru. If BOS is willing to eat half of the 150 they owe Sale, I'd definitely take him back if he passed our medical exam for the elbow. I heard he gets along fine with Rick it's just KW he doesn't like.

I expect Hahn to find a suitable 2/3 type pitcher. It shouldn't be Madbum. It shouldn't be Ryu on a 4 year deal. Keuchel isn't a 2/3. That the FA market is out of options isn't our problem. If you know going in you can't go for the top two you need a reasonable plan if your top guy goes elsewhere and the others are flawed. And said reasonable plan cannot include dealing away key pieces or prospects in the rebuild. Figure it out. Get a three way trade done. Eat a bad 2 year deal from a team with good prospects and have them send them to a third team for a good pitcher.

We have to address the issue via trade now...maybe 3 team trade cause the prospects we are willing to move aren't the prospects people want. So maybe the Sox eat a bad contract from Team A, Team A sends more attractive prospects to Team B, Team B sends good pitcher under control for awhile to the Sox. I don't see how it works other than this unless you think Boras will accept 3 years for Ryu and I'm not seeing it. The FA market is thinning out so he can probably force a 4th year and we dont want to go there with an injury prone 32 year old. Go make the 3 team trade Rick.

Ashley Rodon might come across as more credible if she took the time to actually spell role properly for it's usage. Therefore, I'm calling BS.

The Sox are gonna have to find their guy by trade most likely and since we aren't giving up Robert/Madrigal/Kopech/Vaughn, a big part of the compensation to get back a good cost controlled starter is gonna have to be eating a bad contract plus someone like Basabe and maybe more.

They need to get Ryu or someone signed quick.

5/120 is alot. Get Ryu for 3/60 if you can. They have to act fast in terms of FA or trade to thwart the rising anger.

If it's 6/125 I won't attack the front office.

Even if they don't get Wheeler it's premature to say the off-season or even how they addressed SP was a failure until we see: a) what Wheeler signed for, b) what signings or trades we did at SP and for the roster in general and the relative costs involved there as well. However, it is absolutely fair game to question if Abreu's contract prevented them from having the needed flexibility to close the deal on Wheeler.

This still doesn't tell me why he should give up 5 million dollars. That's not insignificant.

Why would he turn down 5m to play for us? That by itself is a nice apartment building that can produce income indefinitely. He should and likely will take the best offer. The location is irrelevant.

Problem is once Wheeler is gone, Boras will have the Sox cornered and he will drag it out until March and before you know it 3/60 turns into 4/85 which is alot for a 32 year old glass joe.

Yep. I will personally blame Greg if we lose to someone who offered 5 years. Greg is vicariously responsible for the Abreu deal.

I won't be upset if they lose out to a 6 year bid. The risk is too high there. I will be upset if they lose out to a 5 year bid by a handful of millions (like 105 vs 110) when they wasted alot of money on Abreu.

It's going to be tough to win a WS at less than 150m.

If push comes to shove and Joc is awesome for us but we can't agree on a long term deal, can't we give him a QO for 2021? Yes it would be a big overpayment but it would secure his services for another year during the window and no one is giving up a 2nd rounder for a platoon player. I think we also have alot of space in 2021.

6/125 is too much. At that point, I'd just go with Ryu if we could get him on a 3 yr/50m deal.

Even Billy Hamilton thinks that's too much compensation.

How about Codi Heuer and Sheets.

If someone else gives him a sixth year and the Sox bow out they are gonna need to get Ryu or someone good signed pronto to quell the eruption of anger that is bound to occur. Oh wait I forgot they have never cared about what the fans think, never mind. Maybe they'll just sign Keuchel AND Hamels to 2 year inflated deals and declare the pitching issue "addressed" as if we are stupid or something.