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Well...logically if the top piece is settled the second piece is also settled cause they have to move at least one of Norby/Ortiz cause there's no space so I don't see an issue from their perspective there. So then that means the holdup is the third piece. They want one of Povich, Beavers or Bradfield (Robert trade next year?) and Elias is saying no to any of them as the third piece. So basically it's a staredown over the third piece. Is that right @Y2Jimmy0?

Is this a joke? What does he mean "or"? Jones AND Hampton have to be the top two pieces in a NYY deal. In no way is Hampton the top piece. A LHS OFer has to be piece 1 (Dominguez/Jones) and then Hampton or Warren and then a good third piece like Lalane or Vivas. LOL at Elias saying no to even Kjerstad.

Agreed.

Westburg as headliner is super lame. At least if Getz comes off Cowser it should be Kjerstad, and then an IFer and then a pitcher of their choice (Povich, McDermott). If we're not getting Kjerstad either, it would need to be a big quantity package.....Westburg, Beavers, Bradfield and at least one of Povich/McDermott and one more.

Unfortunately Balta is 10000% right on these points. Hopefully I don't have to say that again at the start of ST...

Bro....there's very little in the way of positive things going on with the team right now. Will it eventually pass? Hopefully but who knows when that will be and when the fanbase is being pelted with nothing but bad developments, the atmosphere on message boards will reflect that. The best way for people to start talking about things other than Cheap Jerry, incompetent Getz and know nothing Pedro is for good things to start happening. It doesn't have to be an avalanche of good things but there have to be some good things. If we can get this damn Cease trade and get a LH savage bat, a good pitching prospect and a very nice third piece that will go a long way to giving people something else to talk about besides negativity. And if we are at ST and it looks like Montgomery is a true stud, Ramos is ready to unseat Moncada, Quero is showing he is almost there and if at least a few of these pitchers we traded for last year look like they can stick in the rotation along with Schultz, I think you'll see things feel much less toxic on boards. The Board is simply a reflection of reality and right now reality sucks. We need good news and by good news I don't mean the return of a 5'6" midget with a 20 power tool.

He's fine as a second piece but not a primary one. Dude is rapidly aging and is right handed. IMO the holdup in this trade are the first and third pieces, not the second. I believe Getz is insisting on Cowser and Elias is offering Kjerstad and Getz wants Povich and Elias is saying no. Just my sense from everything I've seen.

I agree. Jones, Hampton, Lalane/Vivas and a lotto ticket.

That's true.

If Cashman thinks signing Stroman means we will agree to a deal that doesn't include Jones or Dominguez, he's wrong.

With Pepiot gone (Sox preferred choice per Bob) and Busch the savage gone, LAD doesn't have a meaningfully balanced package to offer anymore.

The Stroman angle doesn't scare anyone. Go ahead and do it Cashman. Lol at Heyman carrying water for Cashman and even he admits they are far off on Snell.

Yeah but for how much? I thought Boras wanted about 200m....I doubt NY offered close to that.

More negotiating thru the media. Fans don't want Stroman and Hal doesn't want to pay 200m for a 31 year old Snell after they just got burned by Rodon. Jones, Hampton and one more piece in the Top 10-15 area of their system.

Lol @ your proposal. That isn't even in the same zip code as Cease. Seems both FOs both value Cowser over Kjerstad even though both fanbases seem to have it the other way around.

That's actually much better reasoning than "Cease isn't worth more than a back end Top 100 in terms of value" It's true that we're not allowed to have nice things and this organization just seems to have a losers DNA.

Dammit....if Busch came cheap there's no excuse not to get him even if he's a 1B.

JR feels he knows best and/or loves to meddle. Theoretically, if you could build a consistent winner with 70m payrolls he should LOVE that, but he's a baseball dinosaur and can't resist controlling things.

Good move for him because the initial 50m was probably taken up by "handlers" and the current 88m deal is way below market so he needs to get paid on the next one.

Lol @ Cashman thinking this Stroman thing will scare us. Their fanbase hates him, he hates them. They will go together like peanut butter and WD40. Go ahead and sign him NY.

I'm stunned BOS or SFG couldn't exceed that.

I dont think Hal Steinbrenner wants to shell out 200 million for a 31 year old pitcher whose BABIP and LOB% suggest regression is coming and after they just got burned bad by Rodon. I'm not seeing it. Hal cares about money and there's real risk there. Get your cheap 2 years for 25m for Cease, and a draft pick on top. Jones, Hampton, Lalane and Vivas.

Weren't we also told he was a more valuable prospect than Noah Schultz? Lulz

If it were that simple don't you think Rosenthal would qualify it by saying something like "some league executives believe Chicago will get a massive haul, while others believe a more realistic expectation is X" so he doesn't have egg on his face if it turns out that going out on a limb was a bad idea?

Getz comment that "all it takes is..." seems designed to get Cashman to close the deal.