EloyJenkins

That is a pretty steep price to pay, but if he can stick in CF and stay healthy he should be worth it. Really wanted him on Sox, but that price and length for RF probably wasn't good enough value since he is a righty.

This was my hope as well. Or if the Dodgers want to give us something meaningful.

this guy is unvaxxed...? Good, Good, the puns will continue to flow.

This shows team is willing to commit to quality potential players. I don't see the issue here. It's going rate and a TRUE setup man. I don't love the move, but it's big boy pants style stuff that winners make. the money will be spent.

there will be a salary floor most likely in the new CBA. Wander is gonna be a Ray for as long as they are competitive....which based on their philosophies will be a decade.

yes he does. he becomes the face of the franchise...and probably the league in 3-4 years. this deal kinda keeps him there long term.

That Giants rotation could be BAD real quick if health goes south. quite the combination of mid level starters with baggage.

BR is my fantasy. I dont think Jays will deal to us.

How about Kimbrel for JD Martinez & a reliever and Red Sox can sign Schwarber for their long term DH? Sox can focus on a lefty 2B and mix Sheets into both RF and DH. Vaughn becomes the odd man out though...not sure what you do with him...

Interesting...and this makes sense with all the SS options out there. https://thatballsouttahere.com/2021/11/17/philadelphia-phillies-trade-rumor-jean-segura/

yep, agreed. Love that aspect. Just NO to Q though.

I meant 2/3 year deals. and in recent updates...he said he wanted to stay loyal.

2 years / 50 million wouldn't be a good use of funds for Verlander. I just hope he sucks so Astros are not the first round opponent again.

Verlander must have really wanted to stay with Astros. He had to have had some good 2 year offers. Oh well.

If owners are trying to use WAR for arbitration...this season is getting cancelled. that is the dumbest idea I have ever seen.

Robby Ray just had a cy young season in the AL east...and turned 30 last month. He is getting 25million AAV for 5-6 years. That IS the market this offseason with very few younger arms available.

Good for him. With a slightly stronger 2nd half he would have nailed this. Robby Ray is a lock here.

They also can use the fact that they didnt play games with him as an extension tactic...one that has a strong chance this season or next. Sox have done amazing work Not F'ing prospects over and offering meaningful, discounted extensions when it feels right for both.

to this point...what rookie or younger player exceeded expectations this year? Obviously Robert put up ridiculous numbers...but the expectation for him should be star or potentially superstar. Here is where I see progression v regression: 1B - Abreu / BU Vaughn = to 2021 - Abreu may hit higher average, but track record is here 2B - FA ++ production in 2022 - Can't see how it could be worse than what we got SS - Anderson = to 2021 - Anderson will be fully healthy and capable of improving on defense and minor power uptick 3B - Moncada + to 2021 - Moncada should have all long covid effects gone and get a full off-season to condition RF - FA / Sheets + production based on Free agent pickup CF - Robert = to 2021 - the overall numbers will be bigger than last year because of time missed, but expect ridiculous production here LF - Eloy + to 2021 - a fully healthy Eloy HAS to produce huge power numbers or this team doesn't take next step C - Yaz/FA = to 2021 - Yaz put up numbers in-line with his career and expect more high OBP/power results. what they do with backup will matter defensively, not offensively DH - Vaughn / Sheets / Yaz + to 2021 - Vaughn getting more seasoning and Sheets being used properly for matchups should provide great production over 2021 results Realistically...every position player should produce equal to or higher production than 2021 IF they stay mostly healthy. 1B, C, SS and maybe 3B stay flat, but everywhere else has room for growth. This team is going to be GOOD to GREAT in 2022 offensively. On the pitching side, Giolito can be better, Lynn will regress, Cease will improve slightly and Kopech is a wild card. Expect about the same production out of this group. Bullpen - I just can't imagine this group being worse, especially in the luck department. Improvement is very handicapped by TLR intuition. But surface level should be lower expectations on the talk track...but better overall results as a progression to the potential.

the Braves outfield defense was statistically awful. Robert alone has more value than what they were trotting out. They got hot at the right time and had an unreal bullpen run. that is why they won.

I get my one last b**** in. I'm good now.

Congrats to the Braves, my inherited 2nd team by proximity...but this hurts, im angry and annoyed.

they will be able to use covid as an excuse for that if they need to.

This isn't a b**** thread. OP clearly stated the rules. Please only post solutions/expectations and take whining to the general off-season thread. K, thanks.

What I want them to do: Sign Scherzer for $2/80 (I don't care what it costs, including dumping Keuchel for peanuts) Put Kopech on a throwing program right now and ramp up for the #5 spot (Scherzer/Lynn/Gio/Cease/Kopech) Trade Crochet/Vaughn for Bryan Reynolds. / or sign Starling Marte La Stella trade for 2B Sign best Defensive Catcher available What they will do: Quintana for SP depth until Crochet starts second half (They HAVE to limit Dallas to under 160 innings) Miss out Starling Marte and settle for a mediocre RF Sign Escobar (2B) for too much money Trade Kimbrel for another bad SD contract coming back (potentially an OF) Give Collins one more year before they have to cut bait completely