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Given the relief prices out there, I'd be most disappointed to hear the Sox didn't entertain talks on Taylor (especially if they have him as a Pen arm, which it seems like to me they do).

I would much rather have Luis than Vientos, so consider me one of the happy gang if Luis is still here and not just given away. Although I would have enjoyed watching Luis get on a heater somewhere else and carry a team further than they deserved to go -- since I watch other teams play much more than the Sox these days.

Did I throw up reading posts? Uh, no. You all can feel however you want to feel. I wish I could just enjoy the game the same way I did when I was a kid, but I can't. I have different standards as an adult. The older I get, the more valuable my time becomes and the more expensive sports have become. I don't like investing time and energy into things that aren't investing into themselves. I watch for the players, and of course I'm happy to see Colson raking and Teel doing well! I root for every player that comes up because I am a pro-player fan. Problem is, the White Sox position player leader in WAR is Mike Tauchman, and then Sosa who most discredit and ridicule constantly (even the ones that are optimist). But calling people doom and gloom for citing facts is just obnoxious imo. When you're the second worst team in baseball coming off the worst season in MLB history, it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that there's more negative than positive stuff to talk about.

Amazing how much of an overlap there is between the "Getz signed Veterans to trade them at the deadline" and the "it's not a failure if you don't trade the veterans" groups are.

Kwan >>>>> DeVries DeVries isn't a crazy as at all. Kwan has been a 4.5+ player consistently per 162. They would need to add something else to DeVries.

Because your being forced to read my posts? God it must be awful for you. I even used the wrong your like you did just to not hurt your feelings too much.

Definitely understand why you chose to ignore the rest of the post, since it was truly ironic that you were calling me out on being forced to read things while you jump thread to thread complaining about people not being excited enough.

I ranted about it? I put 2 sentences in one post about how I feel I'm going crazy reading the optimism about the second worst team in Major League baseball. Here's what I can tell you, I've never once quoted an opinion you had about someone else and told you that you weren't forced to read it. Meanwhile, I see you all over this site quoting people who aren't optimistic and "exposing" their negativity. Maybe look up the word irony too.

I said I was forced? You seem to have very strong opinions about people who don't agree with you when they post here yet you can't possibly understand someone having the same perspective but around a different opinion?

I really love this in theory, but it's hard to get on board when considering that the White Sox have destroyed Luis Robert and expecting them to fix him feels like a pipe dream. That said, I won't be mad if I get to continue watching Luis because while many have soured on him here, he's still the most exciting player on this team by a mile.

There are definitely enough FA this off-season to make this club competitive next year. Competitive meaning... I don't have to watch everyone here celebrate Chris Getz "turning the organization around" while the White Sox are fucking 40-69. I feel like I'm going crazy reading the optimism here lately. It truly proves Jerry's thought that if you set the bar in a certain place, you can trick fans. No reason this team can't sign 5 guys and turn this into a team trying to hover near 500 and maybe surprise someone. Every bad team has good stretches though.

All we have to go off of was the speculation throughout the 2nd half of last year and off-season and that speculation = much more valuable than he is today.

I hate Josh Naylor so much I can't cosign this. He is the definition of a guy we sign who comes here and has a 600 OPS, gains 95 pounds, and gets caught yanking it in a parking lot.

I guess there could be very limited interest, but insane to hold on to Tauchman. You've struck gold with him having a career year, and banking on him at 35 years old next year to start is just wild.

Agree 100%. If you're trying to acquire Robert it's because you understand he's a difference maker (possibly), and if you believe that then you believe he could end up being a bargain.

The White Sox simply gambled on the wrong guy. They could have gotten a good haul for Robert this past off-season but they decided to trade Crochet instead. If they held Crochet until deadline and traded Robert, they'd be in an incredible position and would have acquired a lot more prospect capital. Timing is as important to trades as anything else in the process.

LOL I'd love to know what team out there, looking to acquire Robert, wouldn't be willing to pay him 20 million when the White Sox are willing to do so.

It means it was a nice trade, jaysus man. I said it three times. My other points are just around how trades are discussed in general. The idea that this guy is a consensus top 5 prospect is a public-consensus which is significantly different than where teams value guys. I then went on to explain it pretty in depth and nicely here: "For example, I know several teams wouldn't have an 18 year old that low in the farm in their top 5 because the risk associated with the time-to-majors is substantial. Look at former top prospect, within the same farm, Salas who people had "consensus in the top 10 prospect" just a couple years ago." You have a hard time just saying you misread something and moving on. Trying to tell me what i said over and over again is beyond weird.

Said it elsewhere, but Bader and Robert aren't all that similar in my opinion. Robert is a much better base runner, he's equal defensively, and his bat is much better. Bader has had a better year productivity wise, but his xWOBA is in the 24th percentile. Robert is up to the 42nd percentile and climbing. Bader fills a hole with a guy. Teams acquiring Robert are hoping he gets hot and can carry the offense at times. Bader isn't carrying any offenses.

Everyone in the thread was calling it a big win for Oakland. I chime in saying it's a nice deal and that prospects are being overvalued. Somehow you've taken that to mean I said something I never said. Weird stuff!

Huh?

Where did I say that? I said it was a nice deal.

As I referenced there, I wouldn't really take to much credence in a guy being exactly #15 for example. I more-so review that tool to see if a player has increased or decreased value perceptually YoY across the league, but where they sit on an individual team board is so relative to that teams situation and their organizational strengths. For example, I know several teams wouldn't have an 18 year old that low in the farm in their top 5 because the risk associated with the time-to-majors is substantial. Look at former top prospect, within the same farm, Salas who people had "consensus in the top 10 prospect" just a couple years ago.

Pretty skeptical miller can start and if he can, hes not crochet. This just tells me the Sox could have cleaned up even more if they held garrett.

I dont buy much consensus noise knowing what I know about how teams value guys. The odds that the kid is in the top 5 of 50% of teams individual values is less than 50/50.