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From a raw value perspective, Getz did better than he did last year. I'm not a huge fan of trading for catching prospects in general - teams rarely-to-never trade the truly generational catching prospects. Montgomery some big tools, but I worry about his general athleticism as a defender and how he'll age in that area. If he hits, who cares, but I think he's possibly a negative defender and runner. I also think most here are undervaluing Crochet because of personally living through his injury ups and downs.

They drafted him as a starter and then dicked him around to rush him to the big leagues. They were the ones who derailed him in the first place.

No, crochet created his value. You'd have to be delusional to believe otherwise.

Some teams stock up on short stops because of athleticism and position flexibility. Sox stock up on catchers so they can create logjams at 1B and DH with guys who can't hit.

That's not how value is assessed in baseball, or in anything in life. Catching prospects have about as high of a fail rate as exists. Good times.

This is the problem I see as well. While Harold is heralding all the interest in Crochet, teams/GM's probably just want a piece of Getz. If you have a s%*# farm system and a good GM makes Crochet available, you sit it out but with Getz at the helm anything is possible!

Getz said they form right field.

It's pretty clear that Tauchman and Slater are going to platoon, and it's the plan for the year. The idea is not to trade either guy, and the hope is to steal maybe 2 WAR in right field. I don't really agree that the Sox should only make signings to flip - I think asset flipping should really only occur if the performance and leverage are there. You should be acquiring talent as to not humiliate yourself again. I really don't think some people here, even you as odd as it sounds, realize how damning it is to this organization to exist as they have been for the past 16+ months. They cannot be a turnstile organization of trash. They aren't the A's yet in the eyes of players, but they're in the room. How far this organization has fallen is incredible; say what you will about prior dysfunctions, but they don't hold a candle to the current state of affairs. I think the Tauchman/Slater combo is like a guy who acquires the bum after their one great week in fantasy. Slater looked washed to me last year, and Tauchman is a 34 year old whose defense took a noise dive last year. The issue with those two is the upside just isn't there, but I guess that's why they cost $12 and a stick of gum.

The thing I don't like about Kim is you have to pay more of a premium because he's less likely to be awful (higher floor), but his ceiling outcomes aren't that much different than other guys in his class who will be a good bit cheaper. The Sox shouldn't spend much time worrying about downside risk because they're going to be dreadful, so they should focus more on the cheaper-but-not-cheapest tier where the upside is there but there's a lot more uncertainty about them as well (lower floors).

Both on the wrong side of 30. Profars crowd number a little higher but Walkers right there. I think both get less than crowd as the crowd has overvalued post 30 non-stars the past five years.

Here's an off-season plan for people that aren't boot lickers: I'll utilize crowd sourced numbers for some - if source is off by enough I'll use my forecasts. Projected current payroll 65ish million. Goal payroll - 125ish million (this puts the White Sox in line with KC. Hardly a big spender and should put the White Sox around 23rd in the league in spending (still at the bottom for a rebuild). Free Agents: Gleybar Torres - 3 years, 54 million Hoffman - 3 years, 30 million Christian Walker - 3 years, 45 million Profar - 3 years, 40 million Trevor Williams - 2 Years, 18 million Every player above is a gamble with an upside. Torres - coming off a career worst year but still only 27. He'll never be the superstar people thought, but in that park he can get you 3 WAR if we returns to form. Hoffman - A good gamble on a guy who has come on in the past two years after he moved to reliever, could be moved at any time. Walker - There's this odd large gap between first baseman and compensation. Walker is older and likely to fall into the underpaid side of things. I don't think Walker offers much in trade value, but who knows? Profar and Williams both changed a lot about their games last year and had very positive results. The league likely may adjust back, but if they show good signs of life next year both will be tradable assets with a lot of value. The above gets you to around 125 million after filling all other holes. It also gives you FIVE MLB quality big leaguers to watch next year. It gives your team some positive variance opportunities. I'll add that I'd take O'Neil or Profar.

Here's an off-season plan for people that aren't boot lickers: I'll utilize crowd sourced numbers for some - if source is off by enough I'll use my forecasts. Projected current payroll 65ish million. Goal payroll - 125ish million (this puts the White Sox in line with KC. Hardly a big spender and should put the White Sox around 23rd in the league in spending (still at the bottom for a rebuild). Free Agents: Gleybar Torres - 3 years, 54 million Hoffman - 3 years, 30 million Christian Walker - 3 years, 45 million Profar - 3 years, 40 million Trevor Williams - 2 Years, 18 million Every player above is a gamble with an upside. Torres - coming off a career worst year but still only 27. He'll never be the superstar people thought, but in that park he can get you 3 WAR if we returns to form. Hoffman - A good gamble on a guy who has come on in the past two years after he moved to reliever, could be moved at any time. Walker - There's this odd large gap between first baseman and compensation. Walker is older and likely to fall into the underpaid side of things. I don't think Walker offers much in trade value, but who knows? Profar and Williams both changed a lot about their games last year and had very positive results. The league likely may adjust back, but if they show good signs of life next year both will be tradable assets with a lot of value. The above gets you to around 125 million after filling all other holes. It also gives you FIVE MLB quality big leaguers to watch next year. It gives your team some positive variance opportunities.

Maybe the White Sox should try to not be the worst team in baseball history again? You think it's logical or smart for a team to throw a minor league product on the field over and over again in the name of "rebuilding." I think you're a complete dunce. All the White Sox are doing by "rebuilding," as you define it, is saving money. There's zero reason the White Sox can't rebuild and also pay some major league players to come here and compete. This idea that if you rebuild you must spend zero dollars is ownership-propogated bullshit. The White Sox can build up the organization, overhaul analytics, invest more internationally and on amateur scouting, while also putting a competent MLB product on the field. The things you believe are OK and logical are going to leave you as the only fan left of this dreadful organization.

Holy s%*# dude, there's no excuse for a Chicago based team to be running payrolls below the A's. Regardless of your "reason" for why it's happening, it's embarrassing. Why do weirdo's like you stan for owners saving money. Truly baffling stuff!

What's your point? That the White Sox have more reasons to be the cheapest franchise in baseball than the A's? Congrats.

If they had an intelligent leader who actually cared about the whole union and not just the top 5 guys, this would have already been agreed too. While elite salaries soar, mid-tier pay has gone backwards (comparatively) and veterans are being priced out. Additionally, players are losing revenue share compared to rest of the leagues. A cap fixes and guarantees them a set percentage of revenue.

"No one could have seen this coming. Our guys did some advance analytics, and he was basically a 30/30 player as a rookie if you just double stuff."

Wouldn't shock me at all, knowing Getz and some of the other rumors out there, if he targeted Matt McClain. Would be awful so very on par with Getz think.

Exactly. Both sunk costs. One ends sooner.

A lot of shoulder injuries and arm injuries in general catching up with him.

Interesting. Walker's arm seems toast, but I've always been a big TW guy when he's out there (before last year) so I'd take him over bene.

Most teams don't operate like the White Sox. If they wanted to trade for Crochet with the intent to sign him, they'll just do that without the Sox offering them some extension period.

Lol this is fair. I should have used passion or something meaningful.

This is honest to god, complete bullshit for an athlete. It is not human nature to not try in your passion OR at a game when things aren't going well. It not human nature to not try to get the most out of what you've been given when given immense opportunity. I've been in circumstances you lay out and I certainly didn't degrade my own self standards because of the subpar standards or outputs of others. Edit: After consideration, I've edited to better reflect.