Look at Ray Ray Run

Great spin rate on his offspeed with an electric elevated 4 seamer - guy was built for Houston.

According to fWAR, Wheeler has been the 9th best starter in baseball since the start of 2018; I'd say that's TOR talent.

I think it's very possible he becomes a TOR starter. It's also possible his shoulder gives out and you only get 2 years out of him. Theres risk but his ceiling is certainly that of a TOR arm. I wouldnt be shocked to see Houston in on him.

You're citing this while also citing FG's as the barometer setter - FG's did not have manny exceeding 275 million.

I mean, not really. Kiley projected Corbin at 5 years 90 million and he got 6 years 140 million.

Kiley literally goes on to say in his piece that of all the starters available, the only one he views as capable of outperforming Cole and Stras next year Is wheeler. Wheelers injury history is what he believes will suppress his market.

Yeah, I was too high for Stras. I like their number better than mine for sure.

Lol the Athletic should find someone different to do these projections if this is real.

How? I literally adjusted my Hamels number in this thread to 2 years 30 million and they project 2 years 28 million. Keuchel I had a 3 years 50 million and they projected 3 years 45 - you're certainly holding me to a high standard if that's not close. Abreu I didn't project. Gregorius, I gave 2 more years because of his age but the values were similar - 3 years 48 is similar to 5 years 68.

Stuff rarely gets done before the winter meetings

Outside of Bumgarner, Wheeler, Ryu and Strasburg my overall forecasts, and the general consensus for most on this board, are really close to what was projected there.

To use FG forecasts, Sox could sign: Wheeler - 4 years, 80 million (they project 68 million) JD - 3 years 77 million Grandal - 4 years 70 million Smith - 3 years 36 million Betances - 1 year 12 million Those 5 players combined would cost just over what they offered manny in guaranteed dollars - 275 million for an average AAV of 18.333 million. If the Sox made the above acquisitions and no more - maybe a Rich Hill for 8 million too? - they would be adding 91 million putting them around 140-150 with abreu.

Seems like I'm high on the top 4 starters but about the same on the position players as fangraphs piece today. Kiley and I had near identical contracts for the first few bats like Donaldson and Grandal. Maybe I'm overvaluing the arms but from what I see the pitchers have been more likely - by 41% of FA signings - to be overpaid based on market forecasts than position players; whom are much more projectable. I'd actually be really interested in Bumgarner at the forecasted rate, even though I'm not that interested in general. His 4.51 FIP away from san fran is really scary. Kiley has wheeler at 4 years 68 million. I'll take the over for whatever kiley would like. If kileys forecasts are within reason the sox should be salivating at the prices and should be all In.

Only excuse I can think of is the Sox valued the player they got back more than a $250k player in IFA. Being 23 at low A and bad isn't really a glowing endorsement though so I'm going to say that's BS.

If they weren't spending the money and didn't like anyone, whatever honesty. It's cheap, for sure, but if they're penny pinching that pool to maximize the mlb pool then fine... if that's the mental gymnastics Hahn has to play to maximize what he had to spend it's fine but embarrassing as well.

The Yankees will not and cannot move Stanton's contract; I am not sure why people continue to talk about that.

Soto is a machine.

80 pitches. Everyone looked uncomfortable. Bad call from ump caused the walk. A singular mistake to rendon. Managers too quick with the hook these days. They weren't as bad this post season as last, but still bad.

Wow, que it up! Nostradamus

I get it, but I leave greinke in.

Wolf just called that a ball for Scherzer with two strikes the inning before.

Nothing would be more enjoyable for me than Roberto Osuna blowing the World Series. I wouldn't take Greinke out until he gave up a run the way he's going.

It was 1 pitch. The first one was a strike it was just caught poorly. Second one was outside but Wolf hasn't missed much.

You're right on Hamels - 2 years, 30 million is my new price. I actually think I'm valuing Puig too high more than likely.

So, they send him down and he absolutely dominates... they're going to hold him down through June when they had already determined he was ready prior to his injury? Maybe, but I find it unlikely.