Look at Ray Ray Run

Id take kirby!

Seems like a mindset thing. I agree though, that was clearly off.

Yandy has zero challenges this year.

I'd just be speculating for the most part, but his arm angle dip probably hasn't helped much given that he's a very very generous 6'0 so it's likely flattened out a fastball that had incredible lift. He's also just struggled to command the slider this year which has killed his fastball as well because even though the slider still has been effective, he's thrown more in the no contest zone so it hasn't played as well off the fastball. His fastball has always outperformed it's grades and sometimes sequencing as a pitcher just works against you a little and you throw your best pitches on strike 0 or 1 instead of strike 2. I'd be willing to bet on a change of scenery though because the guy has been proving everyone wrong since he got into the league and was told he could only make it as a reliever.

I've always been a pretty big Peralta guy. I'd take him for sure. That Mets situation is pretty brutal, and he's certainly had some bad luck with both balls in play and sequencing. The stuff still seems to be there for the most part. At the price above, I think I'd give it a whirl.

Think he's already a real prospect. He's almost a full year under the average age there too so definitely not an old guy.

It's fascinating how you are so optimistic about complete trash but then pessimistic at the one time the team struck gold. Bonemer has already dropped his k-rate in AA to league average, and he's a very very good athlete. A 55-60 grade runner. Good arm. He's about 10 months older than Acuna was in AA, but his numbers are right along where Acuna's were. He's actually walking a little more, and striking out at about the same rate.

Problem i have is there's just no comp for success that I can find in the modern game. It means he needs to be a unicorn which I'm inherently skeptical of. Impossible? Of course not. Thats the great thing about baseball.

He is? Ive posted this, but during that "good stretch" he was k'ing 6 guys per 9 and walking 4. No one is succeeding in MLB as a starter with that type of split.

I get why people make this comp since they're both soft tossing righties with change ups as their best pitch, but I don't think Thorpe and Hendricks are all that similar. Hendricks wasn't striking people out in the minors, his entire game had always been inducing weak contact and getting the edges of the plate extended. I'm not sure Kyle Hendricks would succeed today the same way he did a decade ago even with the new strike zone changes. He was a heavy ground ball pitcher who never ever walked anyone. 2.1 BB/9 for his entire MLB career with some years under 1.6! Thorpe isn't running walk rates anywhere near that in the minors even. There's been one version of a righty throwing 90 MPH who has succeeded in the last 20+ years. Forecasting and projecting this guy to be another one seems like a reach. Especially with Thorpe generating a lot more fly balls, giving more free passes and relying so much on missing bats in the minors.

Not to be a downer, I just dont know that this matters at all. Thorpe has always been dominant in the minors. His problem is big leaguers dont respect the fastball and it destroys the value of the change.

He's only a 150 wRC+ player In AA at 20 years old. No big deal. Yes, that would rank him first in the southern league as one of the younger players in the league.

Here's what I can tell you, through our interactions you are a clear definition of a follower. You defer to authority constantly. Give benefit of the doubt to people because of their titles or positions. You rarely have an original thought that wasn't derived through your deferral to someone else. If I want to be lectured and ridiculed about how to lead or design successful leadership structures, you would be one of the last people I would come to. Edit: When Getz didn't develop anyone as director of PD, you said it was the fault of the GM for not setting him up for success. When Getz doesn't develop any pitchers as the GM, you said it is the fault of the Director of Pitching for not doing his job. The hypocrisy is hilarious.

Correct.... but blaming Bannister for pitching failures and not the final decision maker is also what's wrong with the corporate world. All the credit constantly goes to the top, all the blame gets off boarded down below. It's nonsense. The pitching failures rest on Getz, and let's not forget GETZ was the one who wanted Hagen, not the phantom pitching guy behind the curtain.

My worry with Robbie is all those fly balls in our park vs San fran.

Getz isn't scouting players? He isn't the final decision maker on the roster? Interesting takes. If all Getz does is delegate, what exactly is he adding in his role?

Huh? The director of pitching job is supposed to develop pitchers. You love the term market inefficiency. Not everything you do is about market inefficiency. Most things you do are playing to your strengths, not everyone else's weaknesses.

Robbie stuff has definitely taken a step back and he's benefiting big time from that ballpark, but he's still better than Sandlin imo.

I've said this before, but Bannisters job is to develop arms. Getz job is to identify talent that aligns with Bannister's strengths, not to have Bannister tell him who to acquire. Bannister isn't in the talent identification game, he's in the talent development game. Those two things are different skills IMO. Let's properly distribute credit and blame where it aligns.

Why do you claim that Bannister is acquiring pitchers? Getz is acquiring pitchers. Thats his job.

Lauer was literally released this year. He's old and washed. This wouldnt even be an improvement. It would be like adding another Fedde.

Bump

Said Sanchez, typed Frazier. It's late.

If sox win, they can thank Frazier

Your dislike of Detmers almost feels personal lol. He was rushed to the bigs as a 21 year old, and has had to learn everything at this level. His slider and fastball are both ++ imo and his other 3 pitches are league average at worse. I think he has a great second half of his career. Not quite a wheeler like resurgence post 28, but still think it'll be a top 15ish starter over a 3-5 year period type run.