Look at Ray Ray Run

Saying Clevinger has a zero % chance of producing a 2.4 WAR in 158 innings seems like quite the stretch. Is it unlikely? Sure. Is it a zero % chance? Well I'd certainly bet into that line.

Trading GIolito now would be a mistake. At this point, you ride with him and hope he bounces back and if he walks he walks. Gio had a down year, but he was also one of the unluckiest pitchers in baseball, if not the unluckiest. His FIP was still sitting right around 4. his xFIP was 3.66, his BABIP against was 340. Some of the home run issues were self inflicted, sure... he made a lot of bad pitches, but those aren't always going to get hit out. I think a little change to his sequencing, a little work on his slider/curve in the off-season, and expecting him to come back as a 3.5-3.6 FIP/ERA guy next year is much more likely than him having a 4.9 ERA again imo.

It's a fine move. Bouncing back year 2 of a second tommy john isn't really a guaranteed thing, his stuff regressed, but he can still get people out. I'm not sure what the ceiling is anymore, but he's betting on himself so should be motivated. My concern revolves around this team having three huge injury question marks in the rotation: Lynn, his body is done holding up for full seasons at his weight and age, Kopech has never been able to stay healthy and his performance last year was very concerning imo, and Clevinger. Sox lack pitching depth. That's a concern for me, but on paper they're a talented and experienced group.

If only 4 teams are in on Judge, Jimbo won't be wrong!

Defensive positioning is still very important even without the "shift".

I think the sadder thing about the foodies is how many people on Twitter ask them real questions and then defend them and/or get defensive when others point out they're frauds. The internet is a sad place

Man I hope those two bozos are gone finally

I got sent the job posting by some friends/family. To be fair I don't believe that was the total comp package but it's a massive pay cut for anyone good at that job. But hey, I'd get to work in baseball which makes My bills go away I guess.

Except for the fact the sox have a tiny analytics department and invest poorly there and rick hahn and company were recently offering 65k for a Data engineer. Listening to analytics is good, assuming you have good analytics to listen too.

Ironically enough the Royals org blows so them passing on him could be a good sign for me lol. They hired a guy I wanted nothing to do with.

Very odd hire. Managers really don't mean much unless it's tlr, and it wasn't a retread which I like, but know nothing about the guy so really hard to like a move. Also, if it was Rick's hire, rick sucks so not a glowing endorsement

I think Ozzie already interviewed and feels more like the Sox doing him a service by publicly calling him a candidate. Can't see them bringing him back.

His breakdown about how a bank won't let an owner borrow against team value because they would then have to accept an mlb team as payment if they default is one of the dumbest things I've read on Twitter in a long time.

I would cite sources but you'd discredit them as ignoring these amazing and valuable qualities. The fact is, the stuff you cited has a marginal impact, at best, over 162 games. I could cite sources, or the fact that high paid managers are making 5 million at most when 1 WAR players are making 8 million which should show you how much value people running teams and analyzing this stuff for a living put on their impact, but it's fair to say you'd ignore that so we'll just agree to disagree.

I don't care if I'm in the minority, I'd love a Willie Harris hire. A guy who grinded his way through a big league career, played with a ton of energy, and I think would defer to analytics without pushback in a lot of ways because he's a first year guy. I don't care if it's irrational or not well received, I'd love me some Willie. Thome would be awful. Ozzie quit on the organization when things got bad, can't be trusted.

oh my, managers are arguably worth less than 2 wins (unless you're la russa) in a 162 game regular season and you think they have some significant W/L impact on the post-season outcomes. You know why the best team doesn't win every year? Small sample variance.

Kimbrel and Kopech are two of my best pals in the organization.

I too think I'm the right person for the job.

The standard I'm using should have said over the past two years. The past two years they're 2nd in baseball in pitching WAR. They were 10th in fWAR this year. 10th in FIP. Its not Katz fault the sox had an abysmal defense behind his pitchers.

I would argue we haven't seen significant offensive growth from any of the young guys under menechino. Sheets had to go down to the minors to "find his way." Menechino and Katz aren't at all similar imo. Sox have had a top tier staff two years in a row under katz.

Yeah, firing Katz makes no sense. Not even Katz can fix all the broken s%*# Hahn throws at him in the pen. If anything they should have given him a chance to improve some young guys out there, instead of weighing him down with aging vets who are overrated hacks like Kelly.

Did you also notice his games played? lol

so rick hahn makes none of the decisions what so ever and is just a figure head taking orders from everyone else?

Rick Hahn has been investing heavily in relievers before Tony LaRussa ever walked in the door. Rick Hahn traded for Craig Kimbrel. Rick Hahn gave Kendall Graveman a 3 year deal. This nonsense that it was Tony... or Kenny... or Jerry is just laughable at this point. Rick Hahn is the general manager of the team, the buck stops with him. Part of being in charge is receiving feedback and acting on the feedback you agree with and talking your way out of the feedback you don't.

As a former Rick Hahn stan, I blasted and ridiculed Kenny Williams at every turn. Every bad choice made by the organization was Kenny's fault, every good one was Rick. Looking back after a decade of control, it's fair to say that the White Sox would be better off with Kenny Williams in charge and it's not even close. Kenny took over the GM role in 2000. He held that job until 2012. In the 12 years that Kenny Williams was in control of the White Sox, the White Sox were: 1109-998 (.526 WP%). They made the playoffs three times and won the World Series once. Here's the kicker though, under the current playoff format, they would have made the playoffs SIX times in 13 years. The White Sox had three losing seasons in his tenure, with the worst being a 72 win season and two 79 win seasons. For all intents and purposes, Kenny Williams kept the White Sox competitive year in and year out, on a limited budget much of the time, and with a minimal investment in the farm system and international signings. Kenny worked around his owner who didn't give him the resources and made season after season exciting. Rick Hahn has been at the helm from 2012/13-2022. In Rick Hahn's tenure, the White Sox are: 695-814 (.460 WP%). They made the playoffs twice, one in the COVID shortened season. They have had TWO winnings seasons and 7 losing seasons. They had four seasons with 72 wins or fewer (that was Kenny's worst season in charge), and this was with a bigger investment in international players, a larger investment in technology and the farm system, and a top 5 payroll this past season. Rick Hahn is a contract negotiator and that's it; he's not a baseball guy. He doesn't know how to build a team to compete, and he doesn't know how to maintain any form of sustained competitiveness. While Tony LaRussa obviously needs to be fired, I wanted to right a wrong here today. The blame for this season is on Tony AND Rick. His insistence on paying bullpen arms and investing his resources there is inexcusable. Allowing 2B and RF to be in the bottom three in baseball in WAR when he knew it was a weakness is unforgivable. The White Sox weren't unlucky, they were poorly managed and badly prepared for the expected outcomes of their players in regards to health and longevity. Kenny Williams wasn't the best GM in baseball, but he was a guy who put a competitive product on the field nearly every year for over a decade. He would have made the playoffs nearly 50% of his seasons under the new format, and truly only had one atrocious season. Kenny was better than Hahn, and it's not close. The Hahn excuse makers are some of the weirdest people in baseball to me. They are still making excuses for that bozo - blaming Kenny and TLR for his failures, yet Kenny Williams was 100% more successful than Rick Hahn as a GM, so if anything... we should be giving credit for the good moves to Kenny and the bad ones to Slick Rick; because criticism slides right off Rick.