Rusty_Kuntz

Surprised Quero dropped, he played well after being traded.

I didn't put them in order, he'd probably be #4. I doubt he isn't with them this season but I suppose it's possible. Tough to give up a dude who made 31 starts and pitched 170 innings in this era.

I love Crawford. And I'm not so sure he can't develop power, he's barely a college freshman's age. Either way, he's got all the other tools. I think Abel and Crawford plus another strong piece would be great. Painter and Crawford would be great too.

I mentioned the Phillies a while back. They could offer a great package but they have a solid five man rotation already, iirc. Wheeler, Walker, Nola, Suarez, and Sanchez. The first four are obvious, and Sanchez broke out as a starter last year.

An insane contract for a dude who averaged like 80 innings over his career.

No thanks to Lux.

I would prefer one of them and a top position player. I don't personally want the top 2 guys to both be pitchers, but of course that is just preference. Also I'm not trying to disparage Lowder - he has amazing stuff. Just think Petty is also a very, very good prospect.

Of course, all the other players in my inital deal were position players.

To me, Petty is younger than Lowder, further along in the system, and he thoroughly dominated last year at A+ and a little AA, albeit only 60 innings. Don't think Lowder has even thrown a professional pitch.

Don't think they are giving up basically their top two prospects. It's a deep system though.

I'd say that both of those young guys look really good so far also not close to MLB Maybe make the 4th guy is another in that category or someone who is already there but lower ceiling. I am also high on Marte, so I guess that plays in to not needing at top 75 second piece.

I feel like Marte as a centerpiece would be fantastic. Marte, Petty, Jorge, and someone young down the list be a great pakcage.

I would say yes, that's more than the Sox will get. IMO one of Mayo or Basallo plus another of their top 8 or so would be a win.

I'd say the '25 trade deadline at the earliest. No way they can get his value before then.

I meant if he was coming off that type of season right now. But, fair.

I think most people would give up more than that for 2022 Cease. I doubt he'll be on the Sox on opening day.

I can see this, espeically if you think all the issue is from losing 1 mph of his fastball. But it's really not uncommon for pitchers to have down seasons mixed in throughout their careers.

If he was predicted to be his 2022 self for the next two years, his asking price would be much higher. Even if you get a mix of his three full seasons, his value should easily be two top 100 guys. If you assume he's going to be his 2023 version for the next two years maybe you are correct, but I'm not sure why anyone assumes that rather than assume that's his floor.

Why would you throw out a player's best year, a year that was only two seasons ago, when determining his value? The sample size is only 3 years, so 33% of the same size he was elite. His floor is probably 3 WAR on a good team. His ceiling is 6+ WAR. I think for a guy who will cost very little that's worth two top 100 prospects and another lighter piece.

Agreed. I don't consider them a real player for Cease.

ATL probably isn't going to trade Smith-Sharver. I think they are planning on having him in the rotation. Past that it's Waldrep who looks like he could be great but is a few years off and can't be the centerpiece. Past that? No one who's been past High A. Just not enough there imo, especially with all pitchers.

They have alot of older minor leaguers, minus the catchers. They wouldn't be my preferred trade partner.

I would say Busch, Frasso and maybe someone like Wrobleski.

He's been a great bargain his whole career, minus like two seasons. Finally getting paid at age 34.

Basallo and Ortiz with a 20ish ranked young guy would do it for me.