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But the fact that he is the best performing hitter the White Sox have is a problem.

Vaughn averages .235 with 13 home runs and 50 RBI. All three of those stats are best among Chicago hitters this season. If that doesn't sum up why the White Sox offense is so bad this season nothing does.

Does money from attendance make a big difference to a clubs finances in baseball? Being from the UK I know that in the case of many Premier League Football teams they can operate without the money from attendance because of the numerous sponsorships and off field earnings.

I know, which is another reason to get rid of Pedro asap

If the only thing the end of this season provides is experience for young players like them then at least that is something positive.

Don't worry Robert soon put an end to that!

Do you think the White Sox players sing this in the dressing room? https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1048112102046212

With this loss the White Sox are only 4 losses from falling below .500 in their all time win/loss record, something that they haven't been since 1956!

I'm beginning to think that Getz is really going for the record this season.

Before 'rebuilding' the existing structure needs gutting of all things that are unsound, and that means more than just the playing staff. Any 'rebuild' under the present FO, GM and ownership will be doomed to failre.

Grifol for manager of the season! It is not often a manager has a record breaking season that surpasses all others in history.

That is half the problem the FO and owner actually thought this team was anywhere near challenging.

Did we just trade for him?

You could have finished the sentence there.

He already is associated with it as he is whispering in JR's ear.

Would any interim manager want to be associated with this disaster of a season?

That is just an argument for never trying. If they took the money wasted each and every year on dumpster diving they could gradually sign more 'good' players. All we are doing now is trading any good player we get or develop and wasting millions on garbage. If people thought there was a plan or could see a route to improvement they would be a lot more tolerant of a squad of one or two good players surrounded by developing players or journeymen. At the moment there appears to be no plan and just a scattergun approach to bringing up players and claiming players off waivers then sending players down or DFA ing them.

Even if they do, you will only get the usual bull from Pedro and Getz.

By 'if the White Sox want to win' do you mean win the World Series, finish above .500 or win a game? Because one of those will probaly happen, one might happen and one will not happen.

The evidence from this season suggests the answer is Yes they do lose with the current players! But in all seriousness without a change of FO and manager etc any trades will just be new bodies to do the same thing. The only point of trading for prospects is if you have a manager/coaches who can actually develop them into MLB talent, and over the last few years the White Sox have shown they don't

Grifol after todays loss said "we're also coming to the ballpark every day to improve and develop and do the things that we have to do to set us up moving forward." There are absolutely no signs of this team improving or developing. Apart from Thorpe the young prospects appear to be developing and improving nothing, and if they do like Sosa, who was beginning to hit a bit, they get sent down.

Even the White Sox?

The clock is ticking but there is no great hurry to shift Robert if the deals aren't good enough. He has team control and options that would make him just as valuable at the end of the season or this time next year, and IF he could stay fit and return to last season's form he would be more valuable than now. Crochet is different because there is a big chance that this is his peak value because the potential for injury or loss of form would diminish any value if they held on to him longer.

I thought he had allegedly already turned down an extension with the White Sox?

That is my worry about promoting players like Brooks Baldwin, we have a manager who has repeatedly shown no ability to nurture young prospects and a dressing room that is full of players who know they are on the way out and have lost over 70 games so far.