greg775

Probably after we're done with Minnesota. I hate seeing the Twins score and tonight figures to be brutal with Thome probably whacking 2 homers.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 10:36 PM) On a case by case basis, Edwin Jackson is still kicking Hudson's butt. And we got him because we needed results now for a pennant race With Gio, the only problem I have is that because of Guillen's nightmare ego/personality we had to give up Swisher for basically nothing. Clayton's got a 3.70 ERA in the best pitcher's park in baseball. And it's in the NL. And it's in the NL West. That grades out probably to a notch or so above average in the AL. Looks worse only in hindsight with Peavy's injury. It's the Swisher to the Yankees deal that I think is the worst during Kenny's tenure (and I blame Ozzie). He could have been playing right field all year with Quentin at DH, Kotsay on a fishing boat somewhere, and we would have clinched the division by now (joking). You have the right to be mad about Swisher, but it wasn't meant to be here. He sucked in a Sox uniform and didn't I read somewhere that not only Ozzie hated his cocky ass? Sometimes it doesn't work out, ala Teahen. I hope they can dump Teahen on the Yankees as they did Swish.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 10:26 PM) I vote for a better relationship between the GM and manager -- regardless of who fills either office. Don't see how the franchise can move forward with the continuous hissing contests that have existed this year. Don't think they have the same vision for what kind of team they prefer. And as for the young pitchers, having a starter (or two) making the minimum is a very valuable commodity. And the Sox have dealt away three of those guys. With the season officially ending last night, it's time to vent. Nice vent. Good post.

Does Hahn have a track record? Does he know what he's doing? I'd boot Kenny. Keep Ozzie but revamp the team back to a plodding home run hitting team to go with our supposed great pitching staff. I'd never bunt to keep Soxtalk happy and tell Ozzie no NL style ball anymore. With all the home run hitters, I'd still put a great defensive team out there somehow as well. Fire Kenny. Keep Ozzie. Pray Hahn is good GM.

I'll watch on mlb.com but I must confess I usually only watch our at bats if things get rocky. We're at the stage of the season it depresses me to see Minnesota score runs. Last night when Danks hit the leadoff hitter, I turned it off til we came up to bat. Way to immediately give up the 3-2 lead. Of course watching us bat can be frustrating too. Had the bases loaded, AJ double play "drives in" one run. Then I think it was Lexi who made an out. That half inning SUCKED.

Does Paulie even want to come back to the Sox? He might want the proverbial change of scenery. The past couple seasons have been pretty f***ed up for our organization. I'm sure Thome has had a blast in Minnie. Do we even know if Paulie wants to come back? He's probably too classy to say anything but yes in the media. I like Ozzie but does he want to leave the circus?

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 08:20 PM) I'll be honest and say I approved of the move. I really didn't care about his hair or the fact that he was a former 'roider. I didn't care because it was going to be for a month. Even before I saw his lackluster hitting since the acquisition I didn't want the Sox to bring him back. In hindsight I still don't abhore the move. KW tried to make a move that would improve the team, and it was a gamble. So far it's a losing gamble, and it will most likely be meaningless since the chance of making the playoffs is slim at best. But, Greg, a bum? Come on, that's really not a good picture of what he is. Self-centered jack-ass? Sure. I just picture a sloppy guy sitting in the dugout scratching his balls when I hear him described as a bum. Self centered jack ass works for me. I'll go with that one from now over bum. No problem with me doing that. Nice hit last night Manny, when we needed it.

I don't care about the bulls***, "He's only in the NL argument." This Hudson story is sad. One of the few prospects we have worth a s*** in recent years and bam, we trade him for another pitcher who makes way more money. Stupid s***. As much as we b**** about the same things on here over and over ... bunting, Kotsay, Thome, Jenks ... I'd be all for thread after thread lamenting the loss of Hudson. Oh I forgot. We don't care because he's only doing it in the NL.

QUOTE (Little Nell @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 04:27 PM) What a waste of 4 million bucks. Good thing you weren't here when the Sox acquired him. It was a popular move except by a few who thought he was a bum.

Yeah but there are no guarantees. Royals, Pirates, O's, Indians, haven't they all been trying to rebuild that way? As painful as this season has been, we have what most baseball people think is potentially a great staff. We have to keep that staff intact and tinker some more and make some big time changes with the everyday lineup.

Our fans might as well give Thome all standing ovations the rest of the series. He's the division champ. When we were still realistically in it the Sox make one move: Jackson for Hudson. Brilliant. Then we add Manny way too late. And Manny has no ribbies. Great.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 06:11 AM) That's a bootleg greg. No way would he ever type that. I love Bobby, but he's old news. He's buzzkill to most of our fans so he has to go. Negative vibes. I hope he goes to the NL, though. Seriously ... why can't our pitching staff take the next step to domination? Are these starters just nice starters and not capable of greatness? The bullpen guys ... they've all had moments of crap.

Well enough of the false optimism. Nothing works. We can't beat those f***ers. 5-11 versus Minnesota. That's the season right there. Incomprehensible. I love Ozzie and like KW but I hope Jerry takes them both in an office after the season and rips them a new one. Just figure out a way to make Chicago more competitive against teams in this division. My god.

QUOTE (CQMVP @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 05:22 AM) A team in a market like Chicago, crying about money, and not being able to spend on talent, is ridiculous. If you spend on talent, the money is there to be made. We aren't a small market here. If the Sox competed every year like the Yankees, the Cell would be FULL more often than not. Just common sense. The better the team, the more people go to games, the more people drink at games, the more people buy merchandise.... What you say may be right, but it doesn't matter. Jerry does cry about money and won't spend with thei biggest of the boys. We are going to have a mighty expensive rotation. It's time for those guys to step up and dominate. Danks, Floyd, Peavy, Jackson and Mark ... on paper, WOW! In reality, we've seen them all be very good; all suck. Because of their potential to be the best fivesome in the league, it'd be best to keep them, keep Putz, Thornton, Sergio and Sale, let Bobby walk and tinker with the lineup again. To save money, I'd dump Rios to the Yankees or Bosox. He had a great year. Keep Quentin or dump him as well and again, look for replacements via free agency or Danks/mitchell time. Also let AJP walk and dump Teahen to the Mets for a Class A player. We have to keep the rotation and bullpen minus Bobby intact to have any shot at the division title IMO. In short ... keep all the pitchers except for Bob, Linebrink, Pena, totally revamp the everyday lineup again. Make room for Viciedo in that lineup.

I'd rather start with Minnesota and see if it's gonna be the same ol s*** for another season.

Ridiculous pickup. We were already 3/4 buried when he arrived.

Is it true the Marlins are going to go after Ozzie this offseason? If that happens, get ready for LaRussa to the Sox and Torre to the Cards. I'd prefer Torre to the Sox and LaRussa to the Cubs.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 04:34 AM) Depends on what you mean by large and small. If by large you mean a new catcher, DH, 3b, Rf, bullpen arm and closer, then I'll vote large changes. Can't argue there. I said small changes only because you know damn well if we trade any of our starting pitchers, they will excel elsewhere. On paper we have Danks, Floyd, Peavy, Mark and Jackson. On paper we have Putz and Thornton and Sergio and Sale. On paper that is a division title staff (though we still have to see it to believe it). So that means change the lineup again. How to do that w/out dealing pitching, f*** if I know. At some point we have to buy some free agents who are young and impactful. Good luck Kenny. This year was totally bizarre. The sad thing is you know guys that we lose are going to come back to kill us ... it's the Sox way. I can see AJ stroking gapper after gapper to beat us. I can see Konerko hitting bomb after bomb after bomb to beat us ... in a Twinks' jersey? How can we keep our pitching intact and drastically change the everyday lineup? And how can we get the starters to f***ing pitch to their potential?

I blame the season on, as usual, being a step too late. Way to acquire Manny when we already were 3-4 out. Stupid. How bout being aggressive when we, uh, led the division after wiping out that 9.5 game deficit. Now we are 7 back again after being 9.5 back at one point early? What a tease.

And I third reason would be Thome. I like him.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 04:10 AM) Why the hell would anyone root for our rival to win it all? Also, I'd rather not watch the WS games in that pathetic, boring park Easy. I actually listed 2 reasons why. Maybe you'd like to respond to them. Did you read my post?

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 04:07 AM) I don't know how anyone thought this team was a 1st place/World Series calibre team back in February. Wasn't this team predicted to be a 3rd or 4th place team in the offseason? Sort of true, but with Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Mark, and an alleged good bullpen, a lot of people thought we'd pitch our way to the title. I was a little worred, however, with Teahen at third and Lexi at short with the weak arm in left. Remember Lexi was not nearly as good a defender heading into this season as he is now. A lot of people thought our pitching would dominate, led by Peavy.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 03:58 AM) They deserved it. Let's go Reds! I hope the Twins beat the Reds. Keep it in the Midwest and have the Twins f***ing win it and maybe next year other teams will get fired up to play those dull pieces of s*** for a change.

I simply love baseball, but this is going to be a horrible offseason for me, cause it's going to take a while to look forward to seeing the Sox play again after this dysfunctional season. The 25-5 was awesome, don't get me wrong.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 03:51 AM) lol. Like who? I'd rather they run some random fans out there then some of our pathetic minor leaguers. Flowers, Viciedo, Lilly, Morel for starters. They might actually, you know, beat the Twins. I guess we're still "in it" though, even tho we are 7 out. You know if we win the next two, it's just five out. So cmon out and pack the Cell, fans, will be the marketing cry. Don't give up.