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Guys, Jon Jay is not a productive big league ballplayer. Anderson and Moncada are productive. I know you don' t care about KC fans but they laugh at the mention of Jon Jay. Suffice it to say he was Juan Pierre-like, Dwyane Wise-like in terms of what fans thought of him here. My hope is he is a good influence with his pal, Manny, but gets less than 200 at bats. You tell me why Jon Jay should even beat out Engel?

I will say one thing. It's wrong if pitchers and catchers report and these two guys haven't signed yet. They are looking at huge dollars no matter where they choose. They should sign and get to their teams. If they don't that's bullcrap.

The key to whether I'd give Manny eight years or more is his background. Does he work out in the winter much? What's he like in terms of being a competitor? Does he get after it in the offseason to make himself better or loaf a few months then get to it? You can laugh at intangibles, but with history of being a jerk on the field, I'd make damn well sure he at least is a fierce competitor and cares about his body to the final degree. It's not hard to find out this kind of stuff. Otherwise I pass on an 8-year deal. That said ... I'd like to see Jerry and the partners start spending some money on the team so I won't freak if we get Manny.

I watched the Manny being Manny video. He certainly tries to take guys out at second, the hell with the new rules. And he gets very very upset when guys pitch inside to him. That one was scary when Boston fired a fastball basically at his face. One thing about baseball: Nobody's afraid of Manny. They go after him when Manny acts up. I'd much much much rather have Harper but we shall see. Manny is a timebomb but can back it up cause he's a physical force and a good baseball player. It's amazing how he thinks nobody should ever pitch inside to him, though.

I forgot about the shift. Part of me wants them to outlaw it. Say that ballplayers have to be within certain areas when in the field like the coaching box in college basketball. The other part of me says keep the shift and tell these selfish big leaguers to hit singles through those big holes in the infield. I think it is embarrassing when the whole left side is open and some big lug lefthanded hitter hits it right to one of the three guys on the right side of the infield or pops out to RF. Take the single every time. It can't be hard to learn how to half swing or bunt the ball where one infielder is covering the whole side of the infield. The shift is so damn annoying.

Moncada hasn't been an embarrassment. If he keeps getting called out on strikes next season, then I'll change my mind. Remember the umps had it out for him, calling him out on so many pitches that actually were balls. Whatever those umps had against him last year should dissipate this year. He was class in not complaining after getting hosed time after time by the umps.

Ron I disagree. That article said why tanking is bad. This tanking phenomenon will eventually ruin sports. You wait and see. It's against everything competition stands for. And like the article said, if you pay $300 for a family outing and it happens to be one of those tank losses like the Sox had last season (you know those 10-1 games where it's 7-0 in the third; we had some like that) you'll never ever risk going back. Taking is an insult to every paying customer. Now let people in for free during the tank years or for 5 bucks? Fine. My solution if a panel including the commish decide a team is tanking, all ticket prices go down to 10 dollars maximum with free parking. We'll see how long teams try to tank.

Also, it's almost impossible to play a 9 inning game in 4 plus hours. It's embarrassing and it happens. The length of the postseason games were embarrassing. So many problems in the game, but one of them is the proliferation of the relief pitcher and it's only going to get worse. I think baseball is over when the teams copy the Rays and have guys pitch two innings max. These "reliever" starters are going to be throwing 100 mph and blowing away the hitters. There will be little action and games are still gonna take forever. I agree with the poster who said there was glamor in starting pitchers who could go deep into games. Now unless you are a nasty veteran like Sale or Verlander who refuse to come out of games, you go 5 innings max, or 6 innings max. I personally feel very very few starters will be going through lineups more than 2 times in the future. Analytics is not going to allow pitchers face hitters a third time in a game IMO.

This is what bothers me. When I get suspended on here it's like people NEVER EVER would have Greg's opinion on anything. Morrissey's story is MY POSITION on tanking. I've b****ed about it forever on here. Also the crap about advanced stats ruining the game and trips to the mound, etc. Every year I'm ready for baseball, but the Sox tanking B.S. really has angered me the past couple years. And the pace of the game after the fifth inning is something that will drive all Millenials from the game for sure. IT'S BORING. Baseball has to do something. The "old" stats were good. They drove discussion. They led to guys being named to the Hall of Fame. Good luck to anybody getting in in the modern era. Nobody will be able to live up to the advanced stat phenomenon. Thanks for listening to me rant. I saw Morrissey's story and I thought, "That's me, the guy people on here think is trolling." No I'm not trolling, I'm angry about my game of baseball being ruined. Tanking ... humbug! p.s. I also DESPISE playing the Royals and Twins and Indians and Tigers 19 times. Baseball, get your act together!

Ozzie, da man. The Sox will rise again With Ricky at the helm

I stand by my prediction that the Sox get Manny, but quite frankly it's easy to see why he might choose another organization if the money is about equal. We're not even talking about competing for the division this year if we do get Manny. If you are him, that should be a major factor. The postseason is fun and he's in his prime years. If we're not even gonna make the playoffs witih him? I still say don't sweat it. Sox get him. You don't sign a relative and a buddy of his and have an open checkbook and not get him.

Not exactly correct. Ozzie said Castro was a good guy and all that stuff that got him in trouble in Miami. That has nothing to do with treating people different with respect. It's making a dumb statement considered politically incorrect. Case closed. Because of his Castro statements he'll never get a managing job again. Again, the country is too PC. And who says I'm outraged? Where did that come from. I happen to love a former Sox manager who won a WS and a former SS who I loved watching play. Where's the controversy? I'm praising a White Sox great and I'm the bad guy. No need to bait me any more. That's my final comment on Oz til somebody brings him up again in another thread as always happens.

To summarize this thread: Hawk great; Ozzie great. Ozzie will never ever manage again. The country is way way way too P.C. now. Nobody in their right mind would take a chance on him. That said ... I worship Oz in a non religious sorta way. An all-time fave.

Try to relax. If the Sox don't get Manny they might sign five above average players for the price of one.

I will say your post makes sense. First of all, 7 years 210 million is an extremely fair offer. If I cared about the Sox payroll and I don't, I sure would not want them to give ANY PLAYER more than 7 years or more than 30 million in any one year. Even with baseball Monopoly money, I personally don't think Manny is worth 7 years, 210 mill. Will I be mad if they get him for that? No. I'm just saying "nice post." Makes sense.

Chiefs fans are upset at Ford for lining up in the neutral zone on an interception that would have put Chiefs in Super Bowl. Mad at defensive coordinator for everything. Mad at NFL's ridiculous overtime rules. Everybody knew when NE won the coin flip the game was over.

If Avi stays healthy ... he is so much better than Jay it's not even funny.

Quite frankly, I don't see how anybody can actually "want" Jay or Alonso on the team if you take Manny out of the equation. Castillo? Obviously he doesn't thrill me either but I feel like he's OK part time.

Welll, that is a great question, an amazing question. I love(d) Sale and stood up for him on here when he clipped the jerseys in anger of having to wear them. My take was if he's uncomfortable, don't wear them and risk some arm injury in them. But ... I like what I've seen from Moncada a lot. Now that we are going to pay Manny, it proves we could have paid Sale. Damn, your question is a great one. I will say if you told me we could sign Sale I would not make the deal all over again. I am not alarmed at Moncada's K's BTW. it's obvious the umps had something against the kid calling him out on balls outside the zone way too often for it to be a coincidence. He was professional about it so I sense him getting the calls soon and I like patient hitters like the Big Hurt and Moncada. He could be special.

No offense but how could anybody think that was anything but a Sox hat. It says Sox right on there clearly in our Sox font.

I like Moncada a lot and he passes my eye test. I laugh though when they use traditional stats to praise certain guys. 17 HR? What?

I think that's wrong. You make the offer that is what your front office thinks is the right one and the market dictates and you don't overpay it just to make him "happy." I mean Manny actually has some red flags. At some point you make a fair offer and whatever will be will be.

You really think so?

I know two women who are great people, successful professionals and very attractive who have both met their future husbands on online dating site bumble. It worked for them. They are not engaged yet, but been dating their significants for several months after meeting on there. 1.) Tell them about the autism/living situation on the first date. I don't think u need to put it in your dating profile. Or maybe if you start communicating with somebody, tell the person when you are setting up the date.

Yup. I definitely dont see how anybody can blame the FO if the Sox lose out on both. Harper was a total long shot to begin with. Manny? If the Sox don't get him, then his agent had some weird plan in place for negotiations. Sox have done everything to get him. Sign his relative and pal and $$$$ will be as much as anybody else. No way they will take the PR hit of not offering as much as the other teams.