Baseball Gal

No to Busch, he's 26 already.

Thank You.

OMG this would suck.

No I'm with you, I agree on Cease's value. I'm just wondering why people think that what happened in 2023 with Cease doesn't matter.

Wait, you think the Giolito return was dogshit? you must think Quero is a 1B or something then.

Giolito had a 3.79 ERA or something like that when he was traded. He was pitching well for the Sox. He blew up after he got traded. His final stats don't do how he was pitching with the Sox justice.

No, because Glasnow is a better pitcher than Cease and has a stronger track record of success.

See the Kelenic thread

We've already beaten this to death. That's what I actually think is happening. No need to re-hash old arguments. We'll see what the return actually is. I hope you all are correct. I want the Sox to get the best package they can, and if the value isn't there then I don't think Cease gets traded this winter. Note: I think Cease starts OD with the Sox because I don't think the value is there.

Rays already have a new stadium deal

this guy nailed it.

I think Kopech is done as a starter.

I think they sign two of Manaea/Flaherty/Montas

Ahahahahaha

Of course they're going to get 5 or 6.

this is hyperbole

no lmao

Can we get a juicy baseball rumor?

I think that the Giolito deal was a drastic overpayment by a desperate club. I also think that they could get more for Cease in July than this winter.

I still don't think his 2021 was all that good other than the strikeouts. pitching fWAR overrates strikeouts. I think BP's DRA- is a better metric tbh. I also don't understand why everyone thinks that Cease is just going to get his velocity back and it's not going to continue to decline. Remember what happened with Giolito?

I honestly think they can get more for him at the TDL if he's having a good season than they can right now.

I don't necessarily think Cease sucks. I just don't think he's a TOR pitcher and if I were an opposing GM I wouldn't pay the price for him. I'd tell Getz, fine keep him then. He doesn't go deep enough into games for me and he walks too many batters and generally, outside of 2022, gives up too many runs. He's a fine mid-rotation guy. Returns should be expected as such. Think of what Giolito got as a rental and that's kinda what I'd expect for Cease. 1 back end T100 guy and a few interesting players that are of the Nastrini/Bush mold.

I think they could get a package like most of you are talking about if they had more years of control.

I think fWAR overrates him because he strikes out a lot of guys. Chris Archer is another guy that I think is a good comp for Cease. And the reason why he got so much in a trade was because he was on a sweetheart of a 4 year deal.