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I tend to agree but he's a free agent after next season. Could the Sox compete next season? Maybe but I wouldn't bank on it. You'd probably prefer to have a player under contract in 2026 and beyond than Fedde for 2024 and 2025 I think.

I think the funniest thing about it is that they waived all guys they traded for.

He has been very good through 4 starts. 22.2 IP, 1.99 ERA, 0.93 WHIP. I like this trade more than I did initially but I wonder what we could've gotten if we waited.

I don't think the system is that good but there are a lot of useful players, I could see many guys outside the top 10 turning into good major leaguers. The issue is, what has already been discussed ad nauseum, actually developing those players. Especially hitters. I feel fairly confident in this team's ability to develop a pitching staff and the system is weighted toward pitching. But a lot has to go right for the Sox to turn 4 or 5 of those position players into every day players. It would be nice if Colson could stick at SS while Gonzalez and Ramos pan out and can play 2B and 3B respectively. Hopefully the idea is to pump up our pitchers' value and trade them for guys who can hit and balance out the system. The Mena trade was the right idea, just wasted on a pointless player. Kopech seems like the likeliest candidate to bring back a good player.

They should hold a meeting at a batting cage. What is there to talk about, how they can't hit the baseball? I'd recommend practicing that.

I agree and I love rooting for a guy who's from Illinois (or might as well be) but I echo the sentiment that the other Jake's potential is tantalizing even if he hasn't looked so amazing, while likeable Jake is who he is, an oft-injured first baseman who can really hit the ball. He'll be way better than 86 WRC+ by the end of the season if he plays enough games; he'll just give up as many runs on defense at third as he scores. The Marlins strategy of getting a bunch of infielders who can't play defense because they expect their pitchers to strike everybody out has been a hilarious failure. Also confused about why Jazz is playing center field instead of SS, like why'd they sign Tim Anderson?

They are in a sorrier state because at least the White Sox admitted they need to rebuild. Karnisovas is in the Hahnish stage of general managing whereby signing old veterans that nobody wants or giving up draft capital for them is the path to "get over the hump". They've had one winning season since 2016. They've whiffed on every draft pick too except, maybe, Ayo Dosunmu, a league average backup that we're overpaying because Karnisovas screwed up his rookie contract. The Bulls will trot out this same monstrosity for the foreseeable future and delay the inevitable. They need to tank and I won't follow the team until they start over. The White Sox are bad, as expected (worse actually but it doesn't really matter), because they committed to a rebuild. A step in the right direction that the Bulls refuse to make. I would trust Karnisovas even less than Getz to manage a rebuild though. Getz may have been the wrong pick because he has no track record, well Karnisovas has a fairly long track record now and it's overwhelmingly bad.

I basically started posting on this forum because I gave up on the Bulls for the reason the other poster mentioned (and basically the reasons why people in this thread are giving up on the Sox). That team is going to treadmill until 2030 because there's no path for improvement and their idiot GM keeps compounding his bad mistakes. Trading lottery picks for bad, overpaid veterans, trading an all-star starter who you have team control of for a guy who sits on the bench for a year then doesn't get re-signed. Drafting a non-NBA player with the 4th overall pick, declaring him the franchise savior, then watching him flounder for years because the GM can't admit he screwed up. They will re-sign Pat this offseason and cement the Bulls as a 39-43 team for the rest of my life. Just good enough to make the BS play-in and not tank ticket sales, not good enough to actually win anything. The Bulls may be "better" than the White Sox in relation to their respective leagues, but I actually think the Bulls are in a sorrier state. I could reasonably expect the White Sox to have a good team in 2026, I see no path for the Bulls unless they get really lucky in the draft (that is, if they haven't already traded all their future draft picks away).

You make a good point so maybe it's more like taking on salary in a trade. I do think Montgomery will end up at 3B but if he does stay at SS, I like Kim more than Adames because he can play 2B as well and I see no reason to assume he wouldn't hold up for a 5 year contract. Who knows what it would take to sign him but I don't think it's close to Bogaertz/Turner money, maybe more like 5 years, $125m. Who the specific player is is not so relevant to the larger point, they just need to bring in players on actual contracts to supplement the roster. I think there's some internal talent on this team but not enough to create a lineup that's any good. maybe a pitching staff. Even adding one guy whose still in his 20s. The overarching point is that I was OK with the team not spending any money this year because it was a wash anyway, but next year may not be a wash.

For now. That thing's gettin built even if it's in Kansas and not Missouri. Voters rejected a stupid idea, they might accept a well-designed plan or the Royals/Chiefs will otherwise find a different source of public money that doesn't require a referendum. I don't know why it even came to a referendum, they were obviously going to lose. The Braves managed to squeeze $300mil out of Cobb County, GA without a vote. I just imagine the Braves are competently run and the Royals are not.

I don't know how it relates to attendance numbers specifically, but there have certainly been periods of contraction and spending in this team's recent history. With Moncada and possibly Eloy off the books, there's literally no excuse to not sign Adames or Kim or whoever. Which is my point, if there isn't any movement next year on that front, then I'll probably be actually disillusioned. I don't actually think attendance is that relevant, if anything the Sox might want to follow in the Royals footsteps and drum up public support for a new ballpark by producing a good team.

the combination of Soroka, Lopez, Shewmake and Shuster, yes absolutely and it's not actually that close. Shewmake might actually be a useful baseball player on a good team, that alone is better than Bummer. and I'm not even a Bummer hater, I'm just like why would the White Sox pay a reliever 6 million dollars to pitch to a 7 ERA, why not see if 3 young players at primo positions with ample team control can do something? it's a no-brainer. what else was Bummer gonna get?

I'm still in the camp that firing Hahn/Williams earned enough good will to give Getz some time. There are young players on this team worth rooting for. The pitching situation seems genuinely good and a handful of position players could be mainstays for a long time. Chances are that I'm watching more minor league ball than the White Sox this year though. The "good will" is lost if they don't spend any money next year to improve the team. I expected a punt season and so it is. Even if the team on the field is worse than I thought it would be, I had no expectations except for individual players' progress. But there's no reason that next year should be and there are real opportunities to add useful non-superstar free agents at positions of need, unlike this past free agency cycle. My hope is that the money not spent this year will be spent next year and if that hope isn't realized, I'm probably in the same position as you "f*** all these guys, burn it down".

heads up play from Lenyn. I'm not sure that saving the run matters, it'll take until next week to make up that run differential.

yeah, that one guy is literally named "bum" and is making $6mil. looks like he's taking a step in the right direction though, his ERA is down to 5!

he dropped it

Banks had Fraley picked off too if Nicky felt like covering the bag.

I think my larger concern now is that we seem to be jettisoning players. I’m not asking you to add anything, getzy, just stop subtracting prospects!

I tend to agree and I thought he was throwing a change up a little bit but he's barely throwing it and it's been crushed when he has.

he throws a cutter to decent effect.

Is Joey Ortiz an old sock? The sock that never was? Well He looks pretty good. Will he sustain .928 OPS? Probably not but I thought he couldn't hit.

Totally agree, well said. Side note, I was trying to avoid the score so I could watch the replay (so why come to a white Sox forum? A mystery) but now I know I don’t have to subject myself to watching this team, you’ve saved my Friday evening!

I think this is the reality though and sort of what I'm judging Pedro on...this is a loser team (through no fault of his own) and we really do need to claw for every win (are we winning right now? I'm waiting to watch the replay). How well can Pedro hold onto leads with his bullpen decisions? Kopech helps because he can (and should) go two innings at a time without sacrificing stuff. Frankly, I don't see why he can't close out leads after the 6th inning two or three times a week, he's a starting pitcher and presumably prepared for the season like a starting pitcher. I guess baseball teams don't do this anymore, but why can't Kopech throw 90 to 100 innings out of the bullpen? I'm skeptical about Pedro's lineup/bullpen decisions because they seem formulaic and like a formula that the MLB moved past a long time ago but I can appreciate where his head is at, that he has the power to decide outcomes of certain games if he makes good managerial decisions.

Sounds like the sort of pointless statement that gets people to click on espn’s worthless articles

More good than bad so far imo. All you can do is grade him on his work and I think the team is better positioned than it was when he took over. What would someone like David Stearns or Alex Anthoupolos have done differently? Pulled Shohei Ohtani out of his hat? there have been a few head scratcher moves like Popeye and Mena but otherwise he seems fine. You can’t really make a proper judgement until we see what Thorpe, Iriarte and Zavala can do. I thought he could’ve gotten a better return similar to what Castillo netted the Reds but time will tell.