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hey we're winning, there might finally be something on tv later.

Somewhere in Ohio, there’s a “Gay Hitler Road”. Apparently Gaylord Hitler was a doctor and titan of his community in the 19th century. We should all be more like Gay Hitler.

reminded of this meme:

That's Jorge Lopez and I bet some team will pick him up. For the Sox, I don't see a point in acquiring another just ok over 30 reliever. Pablo Lopez is one of my favorite pitchers though, unfortunately he's signed with the Twins through 2027.

It's interesting that the Padres and Marlins both took a look at him and said "no thanks" but I was sorta interested in him this offseason, he's young and has MLB quality stuff, I personally see no reason not to take a flyer on him over any one of the old bums in the bullpen. I think he has plenty of options left, right, do the Marlins have a 40 man crunch or is he just really bad? Or does the new team lose the options when it trades for the player? This seems weird, frankly, why even include him in the deal for Arraez?

Some follow-up news is that his kid is apparently in and out of the hospital receiving transplants for a rare genetic disorder and it was the kid's birthday yesterday. I feel for the guy, frankly, it was dumb to throw his glove and be like "I don't care" afterward, but the Mets organization might also be understanding the context, particularly when he's a pretty good pitcher and their staff makes ours look like the 1998 Braves. Getz me thinking about David Stearns and Chris Getz, two guys at new jobs who are perceived very differently by baseball fans. Stearns is apparently a genius while Getz is unqualified and a crony. Seems to me that Stearns hasn't had a very good first year on the job, struck out on Counsell with no backup plan and has put together one of the worst teams in the sport at the low, low cost of 2.5 times the White Sox payroll. Most of his free agent signings have been a bust. Manaea and Severino have been pretty good, but it's amusing that Stearns thought it wise to pay them a combined $41mil and didn't seem to consider Fedde at 15 million. Stearns has many more tools to work with (unlimited money), but is he really doing a better job than Getz? Because the Metz seem like a disaster.

He definitely didn't say that and it's asinine that all these journalists are just repeating it like it's a fact. anyone with ears heard him say in his second language "I'm the worst teammate in the MLB". Oh but they 'confirmed it' because a report mumbled a follow-up question "did you say team or teammate?" "probably". Lesson to Bryan Ramos that the Anglophone media is going to use your English-language skills against you. I'd just keep speaking in Spanish through a translator, personally. Thanks a lot, journalism.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, but we're talking about wanting the team to lose. What kind of fan is that? Not much of one if you ask me. This dumb thread could turn into an interesting discussion on what it means to be a sports fan. Why do we follow a certain team? Why stick with the Sox even though Reinsdorf is incompetent and undying? If it's a geography thing, the Cubs are pretty good. If it's a more specific geographical thing, the south side team versus the north side one, the Sox might be somewhat more meaningful to you. Otherwise, why not just pick another team? Personally, I really like the Bulls and Sox and couldn't imagine rooting for any of their 29 competitors. How else do you pick a team? I'd like to maybe start watching the Premier League, but how do you pick a team to follow? My brother likes Liverpool but I don't know how he arrived at that decision. Liverpool seems like a cool place with cool people, maybe that's why. Erling Haaland is a dynamic talent, but rooting for Man City feels like rooting for the Yankees. Lame.

No they're not. That's what you're supposed to be, a fan of the home team. If you're not a fan of the home team, get bent, pick a new team. You might've been a fairweather Devil Rays fan last year like we have all these people at Comiskey rooting on the Orioles. Go be with them. I can't believe there are so many fans who stick with the team, post on the forum, despite it apparently making them miserable. Pick a new hobby, guy, there are 1000 different things you can do that might bring you happiness and peace. For me, I'd prefer to watch a good baseball team, but I like Chicago sports and I'll still enjoy my time watching this bad Sox team and its better minor league affiliates. There's plenty to discuss and if the game isn't entertaining, I'll turn it off and maybe speed through the highlights later. I reached a point with the Bulls where I couldn't watch anymore. I used to watch nearly every game but the past couple seasons I've watched maybe a handful per year. I'm still a fan, but I can't watch them in their present form. At least with the Sox they fired some of the key losers and this is the first year of pain after ripping off the bandaid covering a long neglected, festering wound. I still post on a Bulls forum, but I don't pray for them to lose. Going into the season, I hoped they'd prove me wrong and were actually a good team and Karnisovas knows what he's doing. I watched several of those games where Coby was getting hot and the Bulls were on a winning streak. Didn't last because the team is built to fail, much like the Sox of yesteryear. If the Bulls actually decided to rebuild, I'd probably come around and watch some games, a bunch of young guys try to make a name for themselves. That entertains me even if they lose. I like watching a rebuilding team. The Sox are basically in that position, though it goes past the 26 man roster and the churn of 30-something bums. They made the decision to fire the executives and rebuild, even if they pretended they would win. That is clearly a step in the right direction from last year, and yeah this year sucks, but there's clearly some talent in the organization. Though people seemingly want to write off Colson after 200 at bats and only decent, not eye popping, numbers at AAA

I think you guys are mad at Schriffen for the wrong reasons. It's his fuckin job to be the Sox hype man, do you expect him to be as depressed and miserable as we are? Why? You know what the job duties are. He seems realistic about how bad the team is too, he talks about it every game. Bigger issues with Schriffen, but "home team announcer likes the home team" is not a criticism. I'm genuinely surprised that it apparently is. What do you expect him to say on air? Seriously, let's hear a script of what the Sox PBP commentator should be saying. What would you be saying if it was your job?

You can look up those umpire scorecards and see that Angel is pedestrian. Not good or bad. You guys could literally look at the data and decide for yourself. Every single umpire could be the designated whipping boy, but we chose Angel. This is the reason why. Again, I don't say Angel had a good case to begin with with his lawsuit, but this is definitely propaganda to punish an uppity employee and everybody just lapped up the MLB's propaganda.

He was an average umpire that became the designated whipping boy after he filed a racial discrimination lawsuit. Whether he was right or wrong, I dunno, but that's the only reason he's the laughingstock of the MLB fan and target of our scorn. as I understand it, players seemed to like him. Fans just buy into whatever propaganda they're told. Anyway, I'm 100% here for Junior Valentine becoming the new Angel. He has a dumber name (junior is your first name? what the f*** kind of name is that? valentine, what do you need some kisses, bitchboy?) and he's funny looking, I'm not even sure he has the ability to grow facial hair, pathetic!

RIP to Mr Walton, a basketball legend and an even better sports commentator. Funniest and most insightful motherfucker to transition from sport to commentary, there's nobody like him to take up that mantle. maybe Bob Uecker is like that, but certainly nobody under the age of 40. I might've thought Draymond Green, but now he's like "taxation is theft, I'm going to beat the s%*# out of some random guy on the other team" and nobody really wants to listen to that.

take it up with Mike Clevinger. I don't blame him. Still, what else am I gonna watch on TV? Real Housewives of Atlanta really took a nosedive after whatsherface left and whatshisname died of old age.

100%. I cringe multiple times a game listening to him talk about baseball, but his heart and pride is exactly where it should be. He's a homer and Benetti was not one, Benetti's the kinda guy who would've seen the Sox lose on that terrible infield fly call and been like, "yeah that's a reasonable call, it sucks but it's fair, the umpires do a hard job and don't get the thanks they deserve". Schriffen at least has the right reaction to BS, he knows which team he's representing and isn't interviewing for a national job. IMO, the primary duty of the home team announcer is to be a homer. I would've hoped he knew more about baseball, but he's got some time. The tools are right.

Well put. I won't criticize the writer as an individual, but the decline in journalism across the board is very obvious and unfortunate. I'm one of those people who takes sports journalism as seriously any other form of it, they report on an industry worth billions of dollars and worth an incalculable amount to people's psyches. Roger Angell is probably my favorite sports writer, and I doubt we'll see another one like him because no outlet is going to pay a writer to go chill out with Bob Gibson or Steve Blass* for a week and then spend 3 months writing an article about it. Nowdays, AJ Pierzynski or Mookie Betts will "interview" the player for 30 minutes and ask questions like "is baseball hard?" "how does it feel when you get a hit? "what's your favorite color?" It takes time to do journalism and write a proper article, but time is money, and journalism is not a very profitable industry. What a shame, we, the public, suffer for it. *The Steve Blass essay is incredible. You find that reality has better stories to tell than any piece of fiction.

I agree with you completely. It's not in the same universe of bad, but it's a different kind of bad and it's still bad. It's the kind of bad where nobody even wants to watch the team(s) in a sports town. I imagine people liked watching the Black Sox and had pride in their performance up until they sold their souls. Gambling and PEDs, in my opinion, is a different beast entirely than just being bad. I worry about the future of professional sports because of gambling, but I worry about the present of Chicago sports because they all suck.

dig up that thread I'm referencing, in terms of W/L in all major sports it actually is and it isn't close. Every one of our teams is a loser. Black Sox at least won some games.

This is literally the worst moment in Chicago sports history, our gone but not forgotten friend South Side Hitmen did the math. It's not a great moment for the city of Chicago either. This is the type of moment that tests the Chicago sports fan, tests the Chicagoan. Will he crumble under the weight of his desperation and become an Orioles fan or will he be resolute, steadfast, strong, wise...and watch a different TV show for the next couple of months? Personally, I don't buy your threats. I see an internal contradiction in what I write in my post and the act of "supporting" the work of Jerry Reinsdorf, Ben Pogofsky, Mike Clevinger, but I think if your fandom is tied to who owns and operates the team, who plays for it, you're destined to be unhappy. Reinsdorf will die, Clev will retire and the Chicago White Sox will still be the Chicago White Sox.

What changes? Grifol will be gone regardless, Getz is the replacement for "necessary changes" that were already made and so is not going anywhere. Personally I don't see a reason for Getz to be gonez, we're still on Rick and Kenny's wild ride in terms of the players on the field and I'm halfway impressed by the talent in the minors. I had some hopes that this collection of bums might've impressed and played .500ish ball, but everyone knew coming into the season that this was a lost year regardless of who was GM. what would wunderkind David Stearns have done differently with this roster? Because I'm not so sure the Mets are in a better place than the Sox are, aside from having an owner who is willing to spend. I like our minor league talent better, frankly, Drew Gilbert is probably the only guy in their system we don't have a better version of. The biggest change on the horizon will be not having to pay Eloy and Moncada and you hope they use that money properly. Since I can't predict the future, I guess I'll have to wait and see. In the mean time, if I'm going to spend 2 hours watching a baseball game, I'm not going to watch it and hope we lose. Why would I do that to myself? Why spend my free time making myself miserable? I don't get it.

It sucks to watch a losing team, you want the people responsible for its construction to face some consequences, but I can't understand the desire to want your team to lose. There are some logical reasons to want your team to lose, ie to tank for a better pick or to force the hand on firing executives/coaches. Well, Hahn and Kenny already got fired and there's no doing better than the 10th pick. There is still some pride in sports fandom, it's an analogy for pride in the place you're from, a less chauvinistic kind of nationalism. If you're a patriotic citizen, you might not like the people in charge but you don't want your country to fail, you want it to get better. You guys should be patriotic Sox fans. Critical of the morons in charge, objective about the performance on the field, watch the game and hope for a win. I think, in a way, you're disrespecting yourself by considering yourself a fan and wishing for losses. Give up the fandom, find a new nation if you feel that way. I'm gonna keep rooting for these unlikable losers, a brighter future is on the horizon.

"I can finally be my authentic self when I go to an arena and watch a ball game. I once was lost, now I am found, there is joy in the presence of Angel Reese" (Luka Doncic 15:10). I can't believe people get paid to write this garbage, it's marketing copy written in the sort of language you learn about in college to write about, I dunno, Foucault or microaggressions or something. Also, it reminds me of that Onion article about the Marlins' only fan. https://www.theonion.com/florida-marlins-delay-game-until-their-fan-shows-up-1819571683

getting even Leasure for Fat Lynn is a win.

"We got our ass kicked...it's just a situation"