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My post never mentioned the Sox as being the team to build such a rotation. I said that “a team with a very low payroll could…”. Regardless, I’m not sure how picky Greinke can be at age 40 and after his performance last year if he truly wants to pitch. He will have to wait for some rotation injuries a few months into the season.

It just depends on what top 100 listing you buy into. It definitely doesn’t look as good if you only have faith in MLB.com’s list.

No apology was given. The one good Soroka season you are referencing was in 2019, FIVE freaking years ago! C’mon… Flexen had two good consecutive seasons in 2021 and 2022, but was moved to the bullpen in 2022 when the Mariners acquired Luis Castillo at the trade deadline. However, he owns a bad ERA, WHIP, and pedestrian K/9 in his career and he was pitching half of his games at one of the most pitcher friendly parks in all of baseball. Good luck at GRate, Chris. And finally, Fedde. During Fedde’s one good season you referenced with the Nationals in 2020 out of his six total career major league seasons to date, he threw just over 50 innings with 22 walks and only 28 strikeouts for a horrifyingly low 5.0 K/9. He had garbage peripherals and a metric $hit ton of luck that season. Further, you think the KBO is at the level right between AA and AAA. I don’t know if that’s true but there’s a ton of guys not good enough for the majors that can dominate at that level, so I don’t see how you can solely depend on that, along with 50 mediocre innings from 2020 for any future MLB expectations. I don’t consider any of these three players’ one or so “good” seasons that you mentioned to be a “recent track record of success” like you stated they are. A “track record of success” would mean more than one good season and the term “recent” is defined as “having happened not long ago,” not multiple years ago.

This was the mistake the Sox made IMHO. Not making him a DH immediately when he debuted. The dude couldn’t stay healthy in the minors with the Cubs before the Sox even acquired him. Now it’s not all the Sox fault. Eloy could probably suffer a season-ending injury getting up off of his couch and walking to the bathroom, but the Sox didn’t do a good job on minimizing his proneness for injury by continuing to throw him out in LF every chance they had, and refusing to stop doing it after each and every injury.

I do believe some of these guys are probably total dbag teammates, rub other players the wrong way, are not well-liked as a result, and that could definitely include both Bauer and Clevinger, but I doubt other players care all that much about the allegations made against them by women. I’m not saying Bauer or Clevinger are innocent of any wrongdoing, but just think how many MLB players have women throwing themselves at them just for the notoriety, trying to entrap them with a kid for a very high amount of child support, etc. The majority of pro sports players deal with this all the time so I doubt they give it a second thought.

I think it’s interesting how a team with a very low payroll could put together an entire rotation of 1-year deals for a very cheap total amount of dollars right now, if they didn’t care about fan backlash for two of the guys. Sure, this rotation would need some starters ready in the minors due to the inevitable injuries that would arise but this would be a very cheap one year rotation. It definitely doesn’t have any future promise but it could arguably perform better than the Sox opening day rotation. Under $30 million total for one year? Trevor Bauer Mike Clevinger Zack Greinke Jake Odorizzi Michael Lorenzen Syndergaard doesn’t make it because he’s likely toast.

Dazzz purdy good.

He’s quite literally an average center in the NFL. Rated right around the middle (17th) of all starting centers.

Quickly? He’s already there based on where he was as a prospect.

Where did you hear this? Nightengale tweeted earlier today that the Sox were discussing internally whether or not they should bring him back. Just wondering if this is new news or if you are referencing this tweet…

f*** it, sign both. At least it will give us something to watch. It can’t get much worse than it already is.

Bears sign their likely starting center from the Rams. He’s about an average center.

So awful. Duvall is so much better than Pillar. Don’t forget Randall Grichuk for $2 million. Also, Amed Rosario for $1.5 million, while Nicky Lopez is being paid $4.3 million.

But at what point do you give up on him being a starter? He’s a free agent in 2026. He’s been mediocre to bad as a starter. He was best as a reliever in 2021. If they can turn him into a stud closer or high leverage reliever, they can get something in return for him at least.

Exactly. Bauer was not found guilty of anything, same as Clevinger. Bauer would also be even cheaper. He said he would take a minor league invite. We may go to hell, but the rotation could be decent. LOL!

May as well sign Bauer too while we are at it.

So who takes the spot in the rotation? Lorenzen or someone else?

It probably does. This is big news. Does this mean Getz is near signing Lorenzen, or is another Sox starter taking the spot?

Reylo DID develop here. Madrigal is what he is but he actually hit well here, better here than with the Cubs. Eloy is always injured so we have never found out if he has a 40 HR season in him.

Sure they have. I never argued that it isn’t possible. But we sure haven’t seen this from Flexen, Soroka, and Fedde in the MLB. So there is no data supporting what you are saying, specific to the three pitchers that you cited. You are speaking in hypotheticals and these three starters have done nothing to support your argument. They do not have any recent track record of success like you stated.

That’s called a track record of success in the MLB, didn’t you know? ?