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QUOTE(Heads22 @ May 24, 2005 -> 03:59 PM) Ick....Jason and I in the same state. We do have the internet here, ya know. Ya, but my grandparents don't....they don't even have a computer. Lucky for me I do get some semblance of Cable, of course WGN got replaced in there lineup a few years back (meaning I'm Soxless too). Usually I spend a lot of time sleeping (its just such a different life than I'm used to out here...so much slower, well thats cause I'm not actually working the farm...in that case it would be quiet the opposite).

QUOTE(JimH @ May 24, 2005 -> 03:57 PM) Just as crazy is the White Sox giving up Joe Crede straight up for Joe Randa, let alone sending the Reds another player. Crede has way way way more trade value than Randa. Why would the Reds want Crede long term anyway? He's under control for one more year, thru 2006, and I think then he's eligible for FA and his agent is Boras. They have Randa under control thru 2006 anyways. Reds may end up dumping Randa but it'd be for a lot less than Joe Crede. Not to mention Randa will be 36 later this year while Crede is 27. Thank god, at least someone else agrees with me on that. There is no way I'd give up anything more than Crede and even if I did that I'd be hard pressed. I've long said Crede, plus a guy like Diaz/Munoz and a filler (maybe Spidale) could get the Sox a quality 3rd baseman (whose more than a stopgap). I wouldn't not give up a few talented guys because Fields is down in AA. Its not like he's on the fast past to Chicago right now.

Carls bought out Hardy's way back when I think. I don't think Hardy's was always affiliated with them because Carls Jr. was originally started out in New York City as a hot dog stand (IIRC). Personally I am a big fan of Carls, especially back when the famous star was 99 cents.

I'd have to think you could get Randa straight up for Crede.

Ya, its usually right at the beginning of June. This time I plan to be home during most of the draft writing up pieces on it Of course I'll be in Iowa the weekend before the draft..internetless (BOO).

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ May 24, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) MLB players on rehab do not count against Charlotte's roster, so in effect, they should have 26 active players right now if they are at full strength. There is a limit on rehab time, however, so if that time is surpassed, and the players kept in AAA then moves to clear space would have to be made. I think that limit is 20 days.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 23, 2005 -> 03:38 PM) Just throwing in some Bears news rather than starting a thread. LJ Shelton in Chicago right now visiting, PER: NFL Networks Total Access. I read that in one of the articles in the paper and was totally bumped. It looks like they'll use some of the savings on Rdub if he'll agree. He's a talented LT that has had some attitude problems. Still, that would give the Bears a vastly improved line. Tait and Shelton (tackles), Brown and Miller (guards) and Kreutz in the middle. Big upgrade from last year.

QUOTE(Cali @ May 24, 2005 -> 02:38 PM) Damn! The freaking game right after the Padres series, could have seen him come back live and in person. s***, I just thought about that. Obviously they don't want to have him wasting on the bench solely as a pinch hitter down in San Diego so he'll be making his return in Chicago. Maybe Frank makes it back before than and us Californians will be lucky enough to see his return

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 24, 2005 -> 02:29 PM) You're right, it would be a good deal for us even if Bmac turned into a good pitcher. But I don't expect him to turn into a good pitcher. I expect him to turn into a great pitcher. If he were to turn into a great pitcher, 35 starts a year, 15-20 wins per year, etc., then this would be a terrible deal for us. I just think its too hard to go to that extent. Who would of figured Juan Cruz woudln't of turned into a stud or Edwin Jackson. So many things can happen that to predict and expect greatness and to turn down a deal because of that (when your getting a great player in return, who isn't just a stop gap solution) would be a mistake, imo. I agree and am Bmac fan numero uno, but at the same time I woudln't pass up on a chance to help this club win now and Chavez is a player that would be around a long time. I'm saying the bust potential of this trdae would be low. Even if Bmac becomes a stud (possible) you will have 4 or 5 years with Chavez in his prime (maybe not as good as Bmac doing his thing and obviously more expensive, but its not like they get nothing). If on the other hand Bmac is a #3 pitcher (probably just as possible as him becoming an ace) than this deal is a win for the Sox, especially when you factor in this team is playing for the World Series. Of course we know my take, I'd move other prospects and just tell Beane Bmac ain't touchable. If your not interested than I'll be on the phone trying to acquire Huff and give them a package of anyone but Bmac. Hell I'm the person that would let Bmac start from here on out (assuming he pitches like I feel he's capable of) and would just forget all about Duque and deal him for middle relief help at the deadline (i'm sure a team in the Wild Card looking for a starter, the Sox, and a 3rd team with a good reliever thats out of contention could work out a 3 way deal with the team that got Duque giving up the prospects and the Sox picking up a very good reliever). There are a lot of options on the table. Right now if I were the GM I'd of identified two needs for this club. 3rd base and a replacement for Viz. I'd be on the phones from here on out figuring out what teams had players that fit the bill and would go from there. This period of identifiying players to fit woudl take some time and if those guys worked themselves out so be it, if they didn't, I'd be ready to strike when the iron is hot and add the necessary parts to give this club as good of a shot possible at winning the series. Luckily the Sox have the best record in baseball, so they have the ability to wait a little longer to identify needs than a team that is a few games back needing to pull the trigger immediately. Regardless this is a good club, but to win the world series its got to improve in certain areas. The same can be said for every other team in baseball too.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 24, 2005 -> 02:27 PM) I think it would be extremely risky to trade B-Mac, considering El Duque's history of being unable to stay healthy (he's injured right now, go figure). If I was confident that El Duque could stay healthy for the rest of the season, I would consider this trade. But if we traded B-Mac and Crede for Chavez and El Duque got injured again, we would be f***ed. My thoughts are if you deal Bmac and Crede and it happens to be that the Sox need another starter, they could move some of their other prospects. They got a lot of chips. Of course you could say the Sox would be mortgaging the future, but hey, if they are still leading the majors in wins and feel that this move puts them over the top, then you do it. It could backfire, but a team with Chavez at 3B as opposed to Crede is a much better team, especially when you factor in the main weakness of this club has been the offense (and Viz). I'd rather give up Gio and Tracey or something along those lines. I think those two easily equal Bmac, especially with the Sox taking on Chavez contract. Still, after hearing some comments from KW in terms of being able to keep this team together it would surprise me to some extent if they acquired a guy with as long of a contract as Chavez had. It would obviously spell the end to Konerko at the end of the season. Regardless this team has prospects and not all of them will make it or become good players so there is no harm in hedging your bets and picking your fav's, holding onto them and using the rest to improve the major league team. Every once in a while you trade a guy you shouldn't (luckily I can't really say the Sox made that mistake. Reed was by far the best player the Sox have given up in a trade under KW).

Interesting. Thats a bit longer than one would expect. I'm guessing they will wait for the road NL games to be over with before activating him. I don't really have a problem with this because I think more AAA at bats will make it that much easier for him to come up and have success right off the bat. Still maybe my numbers are off, but June 13th seems like it would be over the 20 day maximum rehab stint.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ May 24, 2005 -> 02:21 PM) One huge difference is BMac is a pitcher. The Sox have a few OF prospects, although I bet one day they will regret trading Reed. Good starters are very expensive. BMac will be pretty affordable for several years. Not with Anderson/Sweeney/Owens/Young down in the minors. I'll take the proven pitcher in Garcia anyday for Reed. Reed will be a good player, never a superstar. Olivo is looking more and more like nothing. That was a tremendous deal for the Sox cause Freddy is a good pitcher. Chavez for Crede and Bmac would be a good deal for us even if Bmac turned into a good pitcher. If Bmac busted or didn't live up to the hype it would be an unbelieavable deal for the Sox. Chavez is a proven stud...Bmac a minor league stud. Now I think Bmac is going to flat dominate, but there is no guarantee of that. Now if I were making any offer, I'd be offering the entire rest of the farm system but Bmac, but if it came to Crede/Bmac/Filler for Chavez and maybe a little cash, I make that deal every single time. Chavez is an all star and one of the best 3rd baseman in the game. I'd still hate and cringe at losing Bmac (he's been the best prospect to come up in a long long time). That being said, I think if KW played tough enough he could put together a good enough package without giving up Mac. Plus I still think Oakland could use someone like Brian Anderson just as much as Bmac. I do think the A's will dump Chavez though because they are in financial mode and don't want to pay his contract.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ May 24, 2005 -> 12:08 PM) Be years end you will wish we had.. Nah, I've already seen way too much of him down in Anaheim. The guy is way worse than Eckstein.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 24, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) I have been looking too. Maybe it disappeared like that other thing we were looking for before? This is starting to piss me off. Anyway, why is it that on some of the old posts you can only see have of a thread? About half of the posts are not there and are blank. An example is this one. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...1&st=&p=entry I just went through that link and could see all the posts on all 5 pages? The only posts that should be missing was that month period where I screwed up doing an update and we had about a months worth of offseason posts that weren't backed up.

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ May 24, 2005 -> 01:47 PM) Put me down for Definitely wanting this deal to happen (though I know it never will). To get Eric Chavez would be amazing. I am a huge Joe Crede fan (unlike most of you), and I am excited by the thoughts of BMac in the rotation... but to add a guy like Chavez would be top notch. A Left Handed Heart of the Order Hitter who is the best defensive 3rd baseman in the AL. Bring On This Trade!!! I know its never gonna happen. I fall in your lines. I no longer like Crede though, but I think we all know I'm probably fan numero uno of Bmac. The guys a stud, that being said, Chavez would give this lineup some serious punch while the rotation still would have its front 5. If someone went down than Kenny would have the task of acquiring another starter, but that could be done (the Sox have a lot of chips now). Chavez is not only a stellar offensive 3rd baseman, but he's also a stellar defensive one and is just on the brink of entering his prime. Now I would counter and do everything I could not to give up Bmac, whether it would mean Crede, Anderson, Tracey or Crede, Anderson, Tracey and Diaz. I got a feeling Beane is going to want a bat (A's seem to have an assload of pitching prospects, although they could still take more pitching).

QUOTE(dasox24 @ May 24, 2005 -> 12:32 PM) Torra sounds good to me. Baseball America seems to like him, rating him as having the 5th best fastball and breaking ball, and 2nd best command of college pitchers in the draft. Plus, you gotta love the ERA (1.13) and WHIP (0.75), and he's got a good frame (6'3'', 225). Another guy that I like a lot is Stephen Head from Ole Miss. He's a lefty 1B/OF with some pop. His avg. is down a little this year at .308, but he doesn't have Seth Smith (high round pick last year) protecting him this year either. He's still got 16 HR's, though, and 58 RBI. Head is a guy who probably should of just went pro out of high school. It looks like he'll get picked around the same range. Two way player if I think right (also closes???). Projects more as a hitter though and definately has the pop. Slotted to go somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd round (more likely the 2nd and you never know a team could take him in the supplemental round).

Ya, I saw it last night too. I enjoyed it

QUOTE(quickman @ May 24, 2005 -> 10:00 AM) he is not arbitration eligble? I assumed he was, but lately I've seen everyone posting that he's a free agent so I just assumed I was wrong and that he doesn't have any more arb left.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ May 24, 2005 -> 09:59 AM) Jas, I see what you're saying, but why would a team be willing to trade for a guy with White Sox self-admitted swing issues if he's going to be a FA in the off-season anyway. It just dosen't make sense. The Sox are stuck with Joe in 2005. Unless he nets another 3B, trading Joe just doesn't make any sense. I'm just awe-struck by this Crede-trade talk. Bite the bullet and hope he produces some form of offense in this, his last year with the Sox. Am I alone in these thoughts? Yes, when your contending you don't just bite the bullet. Crede has value because a team could get him, see whether they can fix his swing and than offer him a deal and get him signed. I highly doubt he's going to be getting big money so why not. Plus he's a guy that could grow in with a team who still think he's got some talent and he does have talent. He's just never going to go anywhere unless someone really adjusts his swing. If a team was getting Crede, a prospect like Tracey, and than a guy like Munoz/Diaz they are getting two guys that would probably be on the major league team from day one (Crede/Munoz or Diaz) and than a guy with good potential. Now I wouldn't give up all that for Polanco, but if you get yourself another quality player in return I would.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ May 24, 2005 -> 09:57 AM) Get the f outta here. What the hell are you going to do at 3B in the meantime? This is just crazy talk. If you dealt Crede, you'd be getting another 3b in return, ie Polanco.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ May 24, 2005 -> 09:54 AM) ...so quick to send off Crede. Joe is this team's third-baseman. Does anyone really foresee Crede playing for another team by season's end? I sure don't. Yes, I guarantee he will be. He's a FA at the end of the year and his swing his god awful. Crede shouldn't be the starter but the Sox are stuck cause they don't have any other options. Crede still has value though and him packaged with a prospect or two could get you more than just a stop gap 3rd baseman. I'm done with Crede, absolutely done with him.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 24, 2005 -> 08:53 AM) Also keep in mind that there's a clause in Clemens's contract that stipulates that if he's traded from the Astros, he's owed another $3 million. So if a team wants him they're not paying 7 or 8 million, they're paying like $11 million. And in my mind it would be well worth a world series ring with the way he's pitching this year. That being said, I don't think Houston will be dealing him.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 24, 2005 -> 07:41 AM) I'm looking at Polanco as a replacement. I don't think they'll bench Crede for him, permanently. Polanco is decent, but he's on the downside of his career, so his career stats are not what you expect in the future. I know Ozuna is 30 or so years old, but I just don't believe Polanco would be enough of an upgrade to justify trading 3 players and adding his salary. Getting rid of Timo would be a bonus though. If the Sox made that deal, I think that Crede would be a part of it and if Tracey was involved it would be a larger scale move in the sense of Billy Wanger (maybe...Sox seem to be playing for this year and Wagner has a ridiculous contract but will be free at seasons end). If you could work out a Crede/Tracey/One More Good prospect and than a mid tier guy like Diaz/Munoz for Polanco, Wagner and a few million in cash I'd pull the trigger.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 24, 2005 -> 08:28 AM) If you look at the prospect handbook, it says he has two average to above average pitches in the fastball and slider and that his changeup has a chance to be average. Not a very glowing review. Also he is not ranked anywhere in the top 100 prospects by Baseball America. Also, Cleveland, the WORST hitting team in the AL, nailed him. The only reason he isn't ranked there is because of the whole age scenery. For whatever reason whan that happens very rarely do prospects get as much love in the books. I've seen Santana pitch more than a few times and the kid is a stud. He'd be the 2nd best prospects in the Sox system (in terms of pitching) and would definately give Brandon a run for his money (better pure stuff) but nowhere near the pitching prowess of Brandon (although Santana does have solid command and his changeup has only gotten better since those reports).

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 23, 2005 -> 10:51 PM) Joe randa... then no one else that we would care about. I know someone else mentioned a hypothetical in regards to one of Tex/Blalock but I'd be willing to give up most of the farm and a pitcher of Contreras caliber if the Rangers were interested. It gives the Sox both a short term and long term hitter and as long as Bmac wasn't one of the prospects the Sox could pencil him into the rotation. Aubrey Huff is another possibility. I'd like it if KW could keep Anderson and Bmac, aside from that I'd be more than willing to move everyone else and I could even understand moving the two big studs for the right guy. Of course the stop gap scenario also works, but if this team is in contention mode and even better competing for the best record in baseball near the deadline, and Crede is hitting in the .230 to .240 range I'd at least call up Texas, Oakland (Chavez), Detroit (Inge isn't all that bad and would be cheaper), TB (huff, although he isn't that grand defensively) and find out what it would take to get those guys.