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He's expected back in Charlotte in the next day or two. Thats where he'll begin his rehab assignment. He should arrive in Chicago around the same time Frank does.

QUOTE(Cy Garland @ May 22, 2005 -> 07:27 PM) I hope they make an episode 3.5 ROFL, you'll be in luck. I think the TV show Lucas is planning on doing will be set between episodes 3 and 4. Not positive on that though. Only other hting it would be would be set after episode 6 when Luke is tempted by the darkside and than goes good again.

QUOTE(Cy Garland @ May 22, 2005 -> 07:15 PM) SPOILERS I dont know if anyone else understood this part besides me but at the end where Yoda tells Obi wan that Qui Gon has made contact from the dead and he will teach him how, that is how he talks to Luke in 4,5 and 6. I was the only one out of my group that understood that. And the best yoda line was somethin like Not if anything to say about it, i have Ya, that part was pretty badass.

QUOTE(danman31 @ May 22, 2005 -> 01:46 PM) Yeah, that was great. While we are getting into spoilers, the Yoda-Sidious fight was rather disappointing. As powerful as they both are it should have been better. The Dooku-Yoda fight of Episode 2 was better IMO. And why did Sidious continue to use the force when Windu had the lightsabre blocking right back at him? I suggested to my friends that he was losing intentionally to get Anakin to defend him and switch but they said Windu was really that powerful. Why did Obewon just leave Anakin there? Wouldn't he have finished the job? It would have been better if Sidious or some storm troopers came in to save the day. He would have finished his job. And how did Anakin go from being on fire to singed rather quickly? Wouldn't he continue to burn? Overall, there were some things that struck me as odd, but I loved the movie. A couple of my friends who were really into it said Windu is supposed to be the best swordsman of all the jedi while yoda had the best mastery of the force. So I think it was more Windu being that good. Of course I thought the same thing you did...they want on to call me a moron...I called them dorks

QUOTE(Fotop @ May 22, 2005 -> 06:34 PM) This is a highly speculative scenario, but what if BMac gets multiple starts while Duque is out for an extended period of time and basically forces the White Sox to keep him since he's pitching so well? I personally believe that if he puts up some damn good numbers over his next couple of starts he deserves to stick until he proves otherwise. BUT this is the real world of baseball and the only place BMac would go once Duque is healthy is the pen. Would I want BMac in the pen? No, I think for him he's better off honing his skills as a starter. I know that Buerhle got his start out in the pen, but i think with BMac it's different since our staff is pretty deep in comparison to the time buerhle was brought up. However, it will be interesting to see what is done w/BMac if he strings a few quality starts together, but this is all dependent on how long Duque is out. Completely agree and thats the scenario I'm referring to. If Bmac makes 5 or 6 starts before Duque is ready to come of the DL and pitches well, I can't see the Sox turning the starting job back to Duque and kicking Bmac out. Now maybe another pitcher is struggling (be it Contreras) and Duque slides into that spot and the other pitchers moves into the pen, but right now its hard to say. All I'm saying is it could get really interesting if Brandon is out there for an extended time period (and I don't necessarily think thats a bad thing because I think McCarthy is fully capable of helping the Sox now).

I enjoy it quite a bit. In general I'm old school when it comes to baseball (a traditionalist) but I'm a big fan of interleague play.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 22, 2005 -> 05:07 PM) Maddux is not longer an ace by any means. But he was an ace for a decade and one of the best pitchers in 20-30 years. Not many can touch what he has done in his career. How many times did glavine pitch over 200 innings with an era under three? Glavine has not always been an ace and either has maddux but they both were for along period of time. Plus Maddux had a few years where he had ERA's in the mid 1's. Thats downright nasty. He is and will always be one of the 10 best pitchers in my mind. Him, Roger Clemens and Pedro Martinez are by far and away the 3 best from this recent era.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ May 22, 2005 -> 05:05 PM) His numbers indicate perfectly how he's pitched. 1.65 WHIP .287 BAA BB/9 4.7 K/BB of 1.25 All are f***in horrible. His concrete numbers of ERA and wins suggest that he has pitched well - you are right about that(5 wins, 3.91 ERA). Look at his peripherals and you can see why some would think he has not pitched so hawt this year at all. Hey, no you know why I'm a proponent of saying screw Duque let him rest and going with Bmac. Of course thats just because I think so highly of on and so little of the other. At the same time I realize Duque is experienced and has the intangibles necessary to help a team down the stretch and it doesn't hurt the Sox are paying him good money.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 22, 2005 -> 07:15 PM) Oh, definitely. If you can get the excellent defender along with the good bat, than you gotta go for it. Unfortunately, there isn't a Derrek Lee available in the offseason. And, looking at the other guys -- JT Snow, Konerko, Durazo -- Durazo is probably the best offensively. Then again -- thinking about it a little more -- if this organization is confident in Casey Rogowski, they might just want a one-year stopgap guy like JT Snow to fill in for a year, if he'd accept. But, I'm not sure where they stand on Rogo. If he's able to repeat or come close to his numbers of last year, I think we got ourselves one helluva future firstbaseman... Is Mient signed long term by the Mets? I know he is struggling right now but maybe I'm assuming wrong but I'm guessing he didn't ink a long term deal in New York so he'll be a FA as well. Mient isn't that bad of a hitter and I'd like him more than JT Snow (well possibly). I hate JT Snow though and it has nothing to do with his playing days. He's just an asshole or at least was back when he was in Anaheim.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ May 22, 2005 -> 06:40 PM) You're calling Lyle Overbay a stopgap and are suggesting that Ryan Sweeney is a better prospect than Brian Anderson. I don't think he called Overbay a stopgap. I thought someone else did. As far as Sweeney/Anderson. I think Sweeney will develop similarly to Garret Anderson. However Anderson has proved he can at least produce in Charlotte and is doing it in a big way. He continues to rake after every promotion (even though some, msyelf included have had doubts). I still like the long term potential of Sweeney more, but I also think there is a lot more risk in that and Anderson is no the more sure thing (I wouldn't of said that last year either). But I like Sweeney more than most and I'm not one to look negatively on his lack of hitting for power at this point. I look more at his stroke and its a real nice one and he's a strong kid who will fill out and hit for more power.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 22, 2005 -> 06:27 PM) BTW -- Durazo is playing first tonight for the A's, Sunday Night Baseball. Has anyone watched? I don't think that first base is that much of a key, as far as having a superb defender at the position. If the guy can make up for his lack of range with his bat, then I guess it's not a huge deal -- to me, at least. I'm the opposite. I think people underrate the importance of defense at 1st base. I mean Mark Grace saved the Cubs tons of runs of the years and no one is going to tell me that Mient wasn't some factor in helping the Twins the past few years and than his defense down the stretch helped the BoSox as well. Its great having a good defensive 1st baseman. However, I would swap Durazo and Frank. You get a guy that at this stage of the game is relatively similar to Frank but from the left side. Plus he'll cost a lot less (most likely half the price). And no one is going to tell me that Frank puts up that much better numbers (I'm not talking about Frank in his prime) than Durazo. Then you have power there and find someone for 1b. I also would look outside the organization, but its usually relatively easy to find a 1st baseman. However if Paulie finishes this year with similar numbers to last season, I'd sign him, although his price tag may be sky high (potentially way too much to give a 1b).

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ May 22, 2005 -> 05:01 PM) yeah i meant Heath Phillips being in AAA and if a starter goes down him being called up.... I guess Tracey could be that guy too, but he really didnt impress me in spring training(which really doesnt mean much). I think his future could be in the bullpen. Well, he's a far superior prospect than Heath Phillips. Phillips was overmatched in Charlotte this year and is now back in AA where he belongs for the time being. Phillips does have a lot of similarities to Buehrle, but that doesn't mean he's Mark. Tracey, Gio, Lumsden, Whisler, Liotta are just a few prospects that I'd rate ahead of Heath. Of course some of those guys wouldn't be as advanced as Heath at this point next year. I'd also go one step farther and add Haig/Rodriguez to that list.

QUOTE(3E8 @ May 22, 2005 -> 04:58 PM) Oh okay, then that was a very good change. I thought that was just a funky curveball. It had nice movement. Ya, it was an awesome changeup, Lee was way ahead of it and swung right through it. Only flaw was he didn't throw it the rest of the game. Like I was mentioning with qwerty, I didn't once notice it thrown for a strike the rest of the evening (nor did i see it thrown again). I'm guessing he wasn't very confident in it or was just throwing it all over the place during his bullpen session? Who knows, but I bet you'll see a lot more of it against Texas.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 22, 2005 -> 04:56 PM) It amazes me how down on Garcia people have been this year. He has an era under 4, 6 of his 9 starts have been quality starts(I believe Buehrle has the same amount, someone correct me if I'm wrong) Freddy's been very good he just had those two bad starts in a row, besides that he's actually been pretty dominate. Overall Freddy's been the 3rd best starter on the club, ahead of Cont and Duque. Duque the worse while Garland the best. And while Duque was the worse he hasn't been awful by any means, LOL (which is nice to say, although I don't personally think he's pitched as good as his numbers would indicate).

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ May 22, 2005 -> 04:51 PM) Isnt Kevin Millar a f/a to be... i wouldnt mind us pursuing him... I like Konerko and all but he isnt that good and I dont think he is worth the money he will want 8-10 million. Guys I think we should let go after this season: Everett, Timo, Shingo, Vizcaino, Contreras, and Dye Some of those would have to be in trades and i guess if Dye can play 1B he could stay there.. But I think B-Mac and Brian Anderson should both be starters next year. Also anyone know Sean Casey's contract status... because I think he would be the perfect 1B for us. C: AJ Pieryznski 1B: Durazo/Millar/Casey 2B: Tadahito Iguchi SS: Juan Uribe 3B: Joe Crede(Fields isnt ready yet, although wouldnt mind signed a veteran to a 1 year deal) LF: Scott Podsenick CF: Brian Anderson RF: Aaron Rowand DH: Frank Thomas Starters: 1: Mark Buehrle 2: Freddy Garcia 3: Jon Garland 4: B-Mac 5: El Duque emergency starter: Heath Miller(would be in AAA) bullpen: Politte, Hermy, Marte, Cotts, Baj, ??? basicly we should be shopping for a new 1B and maybe a bullpen arm or two this off-season. I'm assuming your referring to Heath Phillips in AAA? However I'd say Tracey would be the better option.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 22, 2005 -> 03:19 PM) Ah this debate is endless. It's all up to what someone considers an Ace. If people considered Glavine an ace than I consider Buehrle and ace. Buehrle keeps his teams in the games and when necessary can totally shut down an opponent. Getting strikeouts isn't necessarily what makes you an ace, getting wins and keeping your team in the game are. Now is he a top tier ace, no, but he's the ace of this staff. Freddy would be a 2nd tier pitcher and well Jon this season would be a top tier ace. Freddy has the ability to move into that Buehrle area (just needs to get back in his groove and pitch like he did against the cubbies).

QUOTE(BobDylan @ May 22, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) Which Pods are you watching? He actually looked good out there today. But the Pods I've seen all year has just gotten horrid jumps and I've seen quite a few balls land a few feet in front of him that the average to above average cf gets. Maybe part of it is he's learning to get the reads from left field instead of cf, but until today I had not been in the least bit impressed with him. I did really like that running catch he made while dodging Uribe though.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 22, 2005 -> 04:24 PM) We hit 3 homeruns today. I dont think a lack of power is what did us in. What was really a dagger was Lee robbing AJ on that lineout. If that goes by him 2 runs score and big inning commences. Instead it was 2 outs and the end of the inning. That was a really good play. That stopped at least one run and maybe more because you would of had Dye up and Dye just looks really good at the plate as of late.

Prove that I can end my horrible curse of being in attendance at Sox games. I'll be there Tues, Wed, and Thurs

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ May 22, 2005 -> 01:26 PM) Can everyone at least agree that it should be a combination of Walker, Timo, and Vizcaino? No, cause you shouldn't lose Viz for nothing and he has no options left. Viz shouldn't be moved down. If they are going to do something with Viz they better trade him. His season thus far has been nothing like he has pitched for most of his career. Although I guess when you look at his stats a bit more closely he only had 2 good years, last year and than in 2002. But the Sox have the best record in baseball, a month from now, than it may be time to move Viz and add a new reliever.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 22, 2005 -> 01:24 PM) If he picks up the phone and just hears the name Brandon he should just hang up. As far as a trade I'm still of the opinion we really dont need to make one. If Viz keeps faultering I think we have good in house options instead of making a deal. All I know is Brandon ain't going anywhere. If the Sox are in it and a month from now Viz is still struggling I'd probably package him and one of the prospects down in Charlotte, if not too (and I'm talking about Munoz/Diaz) for a quality reliever on a team thats out of contention. That team can get a guy like Viz (who when going right is really good) and than would have the shot to develop two guys over the rest of the season that have the ability to turn into solid relievers. Fact is the Sox can't sit around and develop them so its the type of move that would work for both teams. The only other time of move I'd make is for a 3rd baseman (and I mean a good hitting one at that) if Crede is struggling or the offense is showing signs of struggling. If not, I agree with you and would pretty much stand pat.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 22, 2005 -> 01:23 PM) I'm sure GM's are nutting their pants at the prospect of dealing for that package. I think a similar type of package could actually get you a quality reliever from a team out of contention. Hell, I'd like to see Juan Cruz on the southside and if Beane thought he could get 2 quality relievers (even though he'd have to develop Munoz) than I could see something along those lines being accomplished. Probably not for Cruz (bad example) but for that type of reliever.

QUOTE(rangercal @ May 22, 2005 -> 01:20 PM) I agree with you. But out of our 25 top men someone will be left out. Timo , walker and who else? There is no one else. When Duque comes off the DL, Brandon will be back in Charlotte. Only reason that wouldn't be the case is if Brandon is able to get 5 or 6 starts while Duque is on the DL and just kicks ass in those starts. However, if thats the case this team may look a little different anyway due to a trade.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 22, 2005 -> 01:17 PM) I understand what you're saying but I just dont want Brandon in the pen. There's no arguing right now how good the backend of the pen is. Slowly but surely Shingo's starting to get his s*** together and neal is fine for what he does. Right now Viz is sucking, though this game really wasn't his fault, it'd be nice to add another bullpen arm somewhere but once again we might be able to do that in house without giving up our spects. I dont know what the hell ozzie and kenny our going to decide but goddamn where the f*** was Brandon when we've needed a starter the last 3 years. I know one thing...there is no way KW is going to be able to acquire any big time player unless he's willing to give up Brandon. Teams are just going to say give us Bmac or no deal when it comes to that type of prospect being on our sidelines. KW needs to stick to a policy of don't even call us if you want Brandon. First off even if he's not in the major leagues, he's the best insurance policy this club has. Pitchers get hurt and having him as a plan B this year is freaking fantastic.

Nick Novak baby. In training camp (and I realize its camp) he's been nailing field goals and has a big time leg for kickoffs.