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Unfortunately, Cooper is in the inner circle and has a Hahn-like lifetime contract. Maybe they can make him pitching coach emeritus...i

I didn't expect anything for Banuelos...he's an org. guy. But Minaya..honestly, why is he still around?

I like him a lot too. The Sox have 6 or so shining prospect OFs, but the Sox just need to let this all play out. It's too early to pick and choose which are the keepers.

The problem is that Swarzak and Soria pitched lights-out and Hahn sent them to the friendly Brewers for a couple of Rule 5 guys; Robertson and Kahnle pitched lights out and together with Frazier yielded, put in the most favorable light, a prospect at the end of the top 100 (plus a couple of rule 5 guys in the lower minors). The Sox traded a young catcher who could hit for Colome...the odds of them getting back a better hitting prospect are miniscule. That was the kind of trade you make when going for it, not when trying to arbitrage veterans for young players. Coupled with the earlier release of Smith, that trade looks like another reactive effort out of Hahn instead of part of a real team-building plan.

I think KW is correct. It's not that they are cheap, it's that they are incompetent.

Are 1 year of NOVA and 2 years of Colome really the best use of $20+ Million, 1 prospect and a young catcher who could hit? I fully expect Hahn to do what he did last time: pursue slightly above average players in trade who have 1-2 years left before free agency. Last time it didn't help a lick; it won't help this time either, but it could harm - much better chance of giving up prospects who turn into players this time. He is the GM and based on his actions, that's how he thinks teams should be built.

That it does; but if they couldn't outbid the Padres for Machado, there is no way they were going to outbid the Yankees and the other A list organizations that would have been after him.

All this did was prevent Sox fans a lot of future heartache.

Phillies, Sox, As The Sox win was the biggest win.

What they didn't need to so was to trade him for an average closer on a 2 year deal.

Yes, he's negotiated a bunch, but, not always very well. $4 million for Jay, a year after earning $3 million last year and stinking it up on the field, e.g. Look at the gaggle of deals from 2016. And obviously acquiring using Manny's friends as part of the negotiation had , at best, no effect on the negotiation (harmful effect on the team, however).

Yep. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2017/08/15/white-sox-owner-jerry-reinsdorf-rebuild/570393001/

I have no feel for Call one way or the other, but this "trade" should have been a pure salary dump for an org. guy, not a prospect.....and the basic salary dump is beyond the capabilities of this FO.

I can't lament not signing this guy. His best use is as a utility player; I think Yolmer would be a good player if used as such and properly platoone. Leury can play every position except for pitcher and catcher.

36 year old Ervin Santana I would expect no less from this front office.

Jay was an awful signing. OPS below .680 and they gave him a 33% raise despite a terrible year. His OBP needs to be. 360+ to have value.

Fine - Sale Eaton and Q were here before the rebuild. That means the rebuild inherited Moncada, Cease, Jiminez, Kopech, and others. And Abreu for good measure. Luhnow had his head start, and Hahn had his. You (Hahn) can't have it both ways. This either year 3 or it's year 7....but be consistent with comparisons. It's simply not true that the successful modern rebuild takes 5 years. It doesn't. Let me ask you this - where would this rebuild be with only Hahn's drafting and his secondary trades (which have been, overall, poor)? I

I don't know if it's the worst, but it's pretty bad. I think the team is worse off, although hopefully improvement in your players will mitigate it in the final record. In particular, I think giving up on a young catcher, who could actually hit, after 2 years may turn out to be a mistake.

Not wrong -check when Luhnow, Theo and the Brewers GM arrived. But this is the typical analysis of the Hahn apologist. They don't count Hahn's losing years before he started "the rebuild" but they do count the losing seasons of other teams before they brought in the new GM to fix it.

Luhnow built the Astros in 3 seasons (some disposal work had occurred before he arrived, but not that much). The Brewers rebuilt in 2. It took Theo 3. Now does Hahn get deference to be like the Royals and Pirates?

Hopefully, they gave Hahn at opt out so that he can move to SD. He's certainly done a lot to help the Padres while not working for them.

He's already earned a PhD from that place

Yes Preller mitigated his bad 2014-5 moves a lot more productively than Hahn mitigated his bad moves from 2014-16... Preller received, obviously, a big assist from Hahn.

And that is another example of why this FO has no business chasing 2nd tier FAs. They are really bad at the evaluation part of it. Slam-dunks only.

I understand why JR doesn't fire KW (don't agree, but understand). But why in the world does KW put up with Hahn?