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Well you're probably right and they probably are.

I hope the Sox do that with Crochet.

As a member of the the anti "tear down to the studs" camp, I'd still trade him for Thomas and Pfaadt. I don't know if Az would go for it, but it's not like they had strong rookie years. Pretty bad, in fact.

But we have like 4 Remillards we can park in Charlotte in reserve; maybe they have limited options, I don't know. Nicky isn't going to get any better. I suppose Shewmake might. Anyway, if the idea is to park them in Charlotte, then why not try to get a real prospect out of the deal instead? And then if they sign Merrifield on top of this, it gets really confusing.

I wouldn't trade Kopech because he might be really, really good, so hold on to him and see. The Sox don't have a lot of really, really good. The whole operation is was so effed up last season that I wouldn't sell low on these guys. His two prior years were pretty good. And Manoah, I get it, isn't necessarily selling law. But his blowup was alarming (much greater than either Cease or Kopech's blow-up); the Jays were a good team so there is no context to it. plus the Jays appear to be peddling him, which, to me, means "stay away."

Why take 2 middle infielders from the Braves, only to do this?

There's no reason to trade Moncada anyway. They won't get anything for him; and if they want salary relief, they will have to give to get someone to take him. He's gone in a year, and they don't have anyone else to play 3rd. He's not a terrible player. And it's Pedro's job to create a healthy clubhouse culture; can't blame it all on the players.

The Reynaldo contract is reasonable to me. This Lynn contract, on the other hand, suggests that the Sox will have to undertake some reclamation projects. Soroka is one. And another is our very own Kopech. Trading Kopech WOULD be selling at low value.

Braves got a good deal. 3/$26 with the big money deferred a year v. 3/$24 for Graveman 2 years ago. Reynaldo is younger and better; accounting for inflation, probably a tad cheaper too. I wonder if the Braves don't view the Sox relieves as under-coached.

His 3 fWAR didn't make sense to me given a modest OPS, lack of power and high BAPIP; and it wasn't inflated via defense either (like, say, 'Eaton's 6 WAR was). He does take his walks. And then add injury on top. Not a centerpiece by any means.

They won't get full ace-value for Cease, but should be able to get #2 value. Trade him.

Sorry, wrong thread

Outman was a 4+ WAR player last year. That’s just not realistic to expect him for Cease.

Sox need outfielders. Colas is the only real prospect, and he's on the Padro Sh list. Sox have Ramos, Montgomery and a bunch on the 40-man re infielders. Catching is really a defensive position and you can find those guys; a lot of the hyped catching prospects are hyped more for their hitting than their receiving. And of course, can always use pitching; but so can the Dodgers, so a bit leery of the pitching prospects.

How about an outfielder?

If not these specific players, players with similar profiles, would have been available for free. But as long as the Sox actually like some of these specific players - and this isn't like one of those grab-bags of stamps that I used to get as a kid, this is a fine return for Bummer. They do need to improve the ML team, and at the every least they'll get a SS out of this deal. The opportunity cost, which, I suppose, is a modest prospect with upside, is also modest.

The Soria acquisition was one of those 40-man deals; but then he dumped him for....Medeiros! Actually, each of Hahn's deadline deals this past August would fit easily into his top 10. He did a good job clearing out some riffraff in exchange for some legitimate prospects.

I forgot one: Swarzak was a pretty good scrap heap acquisition. Hahn then traded him at the deadline for....Cordell!

Hahn got one Cordell in a deadline trade when he had leverage. At least Getz got 5 of them. And none of Hahn's Cordells turned out to be any help at all. Maybe Evan Marshall was helpful for a while. Let's see if Getz can do better. The bar is low.

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And the Sox certainly have the room for it. A 100-win team’s trash is a 60 win team’s treasure. Might get a couple of nuggets out of this.

I thought that this was interesting. Cease worth 1 WAR alone just on holding runners.

Twitter Summary: Cardinals: Brendan Donovan plus a low-level prospect RedSox: Verdugo plus 2 low-level prospects Reds: India, straight up.

You're right. Too much protection takes away roster flexibility. I'll settle down.

Even shots in the dark are worth protecting more than some players on the 40 man. Haseley? come on.