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QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 04:09 AM) They seem to have decent scouts. Making a significant investment in scouts and player development is a direction that organization needs to go but for whatever reason refuses. The Sox are going to have to get very lucky at 'finding guys' to avoid 90+ loss seasons in the near future given the lack of talent in the organization.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 04:06 AM) Where do the Tigers come up with all of these guys throwing in the upper 90's. It's called the minor leagues...apparently an unfamiliar concept to Kenny.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 12:31 AM) I don't see how anybody beats their starting pitchers. It's the same thing everytime I tune in. Their pitchers are pouring strikes in there and we are doing very little with their pitches. Last night's two solo homers meant nothing. Solo homers don't mean squat. The Tigers are fine 1-4 in their lineup...it's the 5-9 guys that have not been coming through for them this year like they did last year.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 12:23 AM) How is Detroit not running away with it with this starting pitching of theirs? They dominate us and all their starters are studs. Leyland should be fired. With that staff along with Cabrera and Fielder how can they not be running away with this? If the Tigers make it into the post season, and I think they will unfortunately, I believe they will go deep into the playoffs.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 03:14 AM) Robin makes his mistakes but there's also a lot of monday morning quarterbacking going on here. When something doesn't work out it's easy to say we should have done something different. Lemme guess,,,,,,,If we make a comment to the contrary before the fact, we are being negative. right?

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 8, 2012 -> 03:23 AM) Well, if you look at the whole picture (stats on the year), you'd see that something killing the Sox is their bullpen management. No the managment hasn't been all that great, but neither has the bullpen.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 8, 2012 -> 03:11 AM) I really wish the White Sox would get a manger that use statistics instead of the seat of their pants to manage. The bottom fo the 8th was an embarassment. If Kw was pissed after Detroit he just watched his manager look like an absolute fool.. LOL! Kenny wanted to show everybody in the off season how smart he was by bypassing Sandy Alomar Jr. and hiring somebody with no coaching or managerial experience just so Don Cooper can have more power. Now we all are paying the price. Serves Williams right.

QUOTE (knightni @ May 5, 2012 -> 09:09 AM) Javy Vazquez cost Chris Young. No Chris Young, they were forced to struggle with Anderson in CF, then trade away Gio Gonzalez for Swisher because he sucked as a CF and in the clubhouse. Then they gave away Swisher for scraps. Following, they needed a CF still, so they wasted a bunch of money acquiring Rios' contract. They traded Richard to SD to get a big salary SP Peavy who ended up being hurt for 2.5 seasons. They wanted Adam Dunn because Rios wasn't a good enough hitter, they dealt Dan Hudson and David Holmberg to Arizona for Edwin Jackson because Rizzo wanted a vet SP instead of a rookie. Then, Rizzo backed out of the trade and the White Sox ended up giving him a 1st round pick free next year and signed Dunn to a deal. Rios, Peavy, and Dunn were so expensive that they couldn't re-sign their biggest fan draw - Mark Buehrle - and their attendance has plummeted. So, they lost Young, Gonzalez, Richard, Hudson, Holmberg, a #1 and Buehrle. They got Zach Stewart, Tyler Flowers, Brent Lillibridge, and three albatross contracts. Willliams has been awful. This sounds wierd but Sox fans will pay dearly for that world championship in 2005 for many years to come. All because Williams and Guillen wreaklessly managed every once of political capital they earned winning it. Unfortuately, I have zero faith in Reinsdorf hiring the right guy to replace the idiot. Given Jerry's penchant for making those 'Out of the Box' (read:wierd) hires, my fear, as alluded to by others, is that his first phone call will be to his buddy, Tony LaRussa.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 4, 2012 -> 02:53 AM) Folks just need to relax. I'm going to relax, let's relax together. We have an excellent starting rotation. The worst guy is a lefty that has been pretty damn good for a few years now and is bound to be at worst a productive, innings eater. The bullpen ain't bad either. Thornton, Reed, Crain, Jones are all having good seasons. Santiago has had a tough start but we have the depth to take care of it if he doesn't put it together. Paulie is having an MVP-esque season. Dunn and Rios, by all accounts are back. AJ is on track to have the best year of his career and now even throws guys out. Gordon Beckham has had a tough start but a great week. Alexei is just waiting for the weather to turn around Alejandro de Aza is turning out to be a solid top of the order hitter. Dayan Viciedo is immensely talented and young. See guys, it's not so bad. This team is not that bad. Let's just take a breath and enjoy the little things. Kenny, is that you?

72-90 Team is better than anticipated out of the gate, but struggles to contend in AL Central. KW trades overachieving parts at trade deadline for younger talent and Sox slide in second half of season.

QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Nov 8, 2011 -> 04:06 PM) I hope the White Sox do not re-sign MB, as much as I would be sad to see him in another uniform. We all know he is going to maximize a 'walk-off' contract and while it would be nice to see him play out his career on the Southside, we don't want to pay to see that happen here. That said, the bigger reason I don't want them to pay-up to sign him is because we are not winning a WS with this line-up and the couple muppets like Rios and Dunn we are committed to. I would rather them use the money to sign some younger players or develop options with the money while we are in re-building mode. There's a lot more we could do with $30+ million than watch one of our favorite players diminish into the sunset .... Let him do that in Florida with the other elderly folk I agree with this as well. The problem is, that I do not see the Sox spending the $30 million in prospects (as they should, BTW), even if they had the money. It is going to take years of miserable failure for this organization to change its ways.

QUOTE (gosox41 @ Oct 28, 2011 -> 02:48 AM) I think he'd be better then Kenny because he seems like he would provide some sanity and direction to this team. Maybe it's more by bias against KW, but I see KW as more a narcisst who is always looking to make a big move to draw attention. His love of washed up veterans makes me sick. Just listening to Hahn talk, I get the impression he'd do things differently.. Bob Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, Reisnsdorf loves to draw upon his success (7 titles) as vindication of his clunky hiring decisions. Jerry is wealthy and powerful beyond imagination, and it's his way or the highway. Even 90+losses the next few years will not budge Kenny from his position. My advice, enjoy the DVDs from 2005 and hope that Dunn and Rios find some semblance of what they did in the past.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 06:39 PM) Yup. Not every GM is as short-sighted as KW. It'd be shocking for any team to give up a guy comparable to Daniel Hudson for a year of John Danks. Not only are we hand-tied by Williams proclivity towards dumb trades, but it's difficult to get a lot in return when your primary goal is to dump salary. When I think about what we might have had I want to cry.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 06:31 AM) For me pitching.. Danks was the key, he needed to take the next step. And it never happened. 8-12 record, isn't taking it. Now granted not all those losses were his fault, but still 12 losses, isn't a good sign. His ERA is almost 1 run higher... Not at all good. Jackson also didn't really do anything after the Sox home opener.. Peavy I didn't think he be close to being Jake all year.. after what had happened. Well. considering that Jackson had been with four teams in four years and had been a total enigma his whole career, was that a big surprise? Why did we have to gut our system of its two best pitching prospects for what amount to a Don Cooper project? Not to get down on you, but the whole basis of defending KW on the premise that "No one would have predicted that (fill in the blank)" is complete bull s*** when all it took was some common sense to realize that many of Kenny's all-in acquisitions were doomed from the start. .

Yes, by all means he is a keeper. Lest we forget, out payroll stuation gives us few options. Moreover, we have gotten burned more by being impatient with prospects recently (Allen, Gonzalez, Hudson, Young) than being too patient (Beckham). In order to be successful, you have to develop somebody, even if it takes some time.

QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 05:42 PM) Good call. That has the right JR feels to it. No...the right'JR feel' is that he passes over Hahn for another candidate that no one esle has thought of. Given his love for LaRussa and the fact that Tony has got to be tired of managing, I wonder if the Chariman hires LaRussa for GM? An awful move, but something to consider.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 08:30 PM) Balta, the whole point about Morel is that if you go into next year with 4 guys you have to hope have a huge turnaround season from 2011 in Dunn/Rios/Beckham/Morel, then you're setting yourself up for a potentially really bad year. As I mentioned earlier, 3b seems the most obvious position where you can try to upgrade if you don't want to trade Beckham. With the assinine all in moves that Kenny has made, including the ludicrous sqaundering of talent, we have no choice but to hope guys like Morel and Beckham develop and that dunn and rios at the very least have replacement level years. There is no money to spend to improve the club significantly.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 08:16 PM) Technically, the robbery was committed by the Padres. No one forced KW's hand to take on that contract (same with Rios). KW needs to go. ...Same with jackson...Same with Pena.... The poor moves that Williams has made in the last few years are byond horrid.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 19, 2011 -> 02:21 AM) I have a feeling he's getting traded this offseason. It would be so White Sox to trade somemone so low in value

QUOTE (shakes @ Aug 18, 2011 -> 08:04 PM) .....(I know Pena sucks but he will likely have a more successful pro career than Allen), ...... Wanna bet?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 18, 2011 -> 04:31 AM) I see no way LaRussa returns. Where does this talk come from? So what if Jerry and he like each other? He's been Cards manager forever and they are going to want him back. So it's a matter of wanting to be a manager or not. If he wants to be a manager still, he'll stay in Looie. Any proof to the contrary? I don't see any way LaRussa after 32 years as a big league manager with two WCs under his belt, starts over as a manager for the Sox next year. I see LaRussa's next move being a front office position, and given JRs itchiness to hire LaRussa back, and recent history of making 'out-of-the box' (read: wierd) hires, would it not be entierly possible that he could hand Tony the GM job? I have this feeling that Rick Hahn will NOT be the next Sox GM. The shrapnel from the awful Kenny moves of recent years may have damagaed Hahn's luster from Jerry's perspective.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 15, 2011 -> 08:02 PM) This. The one thing I wish people would stop doing is giving this team credit for still being in the race. It is not by their resiliency, or whatever you might want to call it, that they are still in contention. It is solely that this division is laughable. In any other division in baseball, we'd be ~10 games back or more. They're not showing heart by sticking around and "digging themselves out of the hole" that they themselves created. They're winning about as few games that a team this talented could possibly win. It is only due to the sheer hilarity of the Comedy Central that we're alive at this point. The constant comparison of us to the Cubs is another metric I wish we would discard...I wish people would understand that our competetion is the American League, not the Cubs. Winning an ugly pig contest is no consolation whatsoever.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2011 -> 04:31 PM) Unless Hahn got hired away first, Hahn in the next person in line. That's the way Jerry operates with his management of his teams. Really? Try telling Dan Evans that.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 12:14 AM) UGH, WHY IS THIS ROOKIE STRUGGLING? I DEMAND SATISFACTION NOW, NOW, NOW. Christ, give it a rest. Morel had a .464 SLG% in the minors and walked at a better (although still meh) clip as well. Give him another year. Absolutely. We showed Zero patience with Daniel Hidson and look how great that turned out. Recall that Joe Crede didn't exactly set the world on fire either. .