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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 04:18 PM) Come on guys. Miguel Cabrera's OPS at home has actually been much higher than on the road. Sure, Comerica isn't a hitter's paradise, but comparing it to Petco is a f***ing joke. I just hope Adrian does this consistently then I can see it and hopefully isn't a one year thing. Miggy has put up the numbers his entire career (also playing in the NL) and has gotten better considerably making the jump to the AL overall. If we net Adrian.. he'll already have an advantage that Miggy probably will never have.. hitting in a hitter's park. I just find it amazing that Miggy is damn near a full year younger and still isn't even gonna reach his prime yet till next season as far as hitters.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 04:03 PM) miguel cabrera has been a better hitter over the course of their two careers yes. that said...what matters most is what they will do over the next 5, not what they did over the last 2 or the last 5 or whatever. Given the fact that Gonzalez is left handed, a GG defender, doesn't have enormous question marks about his conditioning and commitment (ie getting hammered and driving home at 4 in the morning to fight with your wife the dya before your teams biggest game) and has a ridiculously reasonable contract for a couple years ....id prefer gonzalez over cabrera just about any day of the week You have to remember how incredibly talented gonzalez is ...what he is doing now is what everyone expected him to do when Florida made him the #1 overall pick... bottom line is they are both tremendous, tremendous players and are enormous impact MVP type bats in any lineup Good post and this might be the most reasonable so far, as far as that debate, but I will still disagree with you. Miggy drinks and all that sure (dunno what that has to do with his hitting but I'll play along) but you don't know if he would do the same stuff here, especially considering he and Ozzie are very good friends not to mention Ozzie is alot harder on him than Leyland. Ozzie himself told Miggy to lose the weight last year and Miggy came into Tigers camp in the best shape he was in for like 4 years. That doesn't happen by accident. He said it himself that Ozzie was in his ear that whole offseason about getting in shape. I'll agree though that Adrian does have better defense at this point, but Miggy could improve that (he was playing 3B/corner OF majority of his career) and he's also not been blessed in playing in two horrific hitting parks in Florida and Detroit. I can't even agree with the contract argument as Miggy is basically paid what he's worth into his prime at about 19 mil a year as we can only pray that Adrian would accept anything like that or less when his two years are up. You could potentially say he's a two year rental whereas Miggy is locked up for another 6-7 years at the age of 26 but as of right now.. sure Adrian's contract is much, much better.... as of right now and next year.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:58 PM) Close over a 2 year span in which Cabrera had by far his worst season out of the past 6 and Gonzalez had by far the best year of his career. That's dishonest. I mean it's completely ridiculous in my eyes to not see it. Jesus I never thought of seeing Miggy as underrated when he's just a crazy beast of a hitter who happens to be also a year younger doing this now in the AL and getting better year after year.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:52 PM) I believe I said one could argue that he's better, and that he's a top 5 hitter in the league. Oh my bad.. "He's more impactful than the great Miguel Cabrera" who was playing 3B and RF before he made the switch to 1B. I just don't agree with that, but f*** the whole Miggy vs Adrian debate and just let the good times roll. QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:53 PM) And your argument is based largely on an assumption that his numbers would improve upon leaving a pitcher's park, something that does not always come true and something that never happened to Cabrera. There is no argument to be made that isn't based on conjecture. Exactly. IMO.. take Miggy out of the "great" hitters parks in Florida and Detroit and put him in the Cell and IMO.. he's more of a beast than Adrian would be here.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:46 PM) Cabrera's OPS the last 2 years; .915. Gonzalez; .913. He's not exactly better than him for his full career, but Gonzalez's numbers last year were just sick, and he's been trending upwards year after year. Adrian has had only one OPS+ over 150 which was last year. Miggy has done that 3 times before he turned 25 and just had a 142 OPS+ last year adjusting to the AL (which will probably continue to go up this comming season and is a year younger). I love Adrian but saying he's "better" than Miguel Cabrera is utterly stupid. And you can't even use the park factors cause Miggy hasn't had the glorious hitting parks in Florida or Detroit either. Sure you can say they are "close" or even Miggy is "slightly better" but don't bring that hyperbole in this thread. That's all I'm saying.

Wow on the rumor... and Steve shut up about Adrian being better than Miggy please. K thanks.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 02:33 AM) Um, can I get atleast one vote for Nolan Reimold, or do the Orioles no longer count as a major league baseball team? The fact that Nolan Reimold didn't get a single vote is absurd. Of course, most people don't realize the offensive season Reimold had, but that's OK, I suppose. The dude did his best to out-OPS everyone on the entire White Sox roster, and he got close to doing so. He had a great season, and I imagine only a few diehard baseball fans here even know who he is. Great call Blake. I actually forgot about him after he went down with that season ending injury. I thought Beckham had it locked up till he struggled a bit late. Reimold, though about 30 fewer at bats, outperformed him. Hell even though he won't win it, if Andrus is considered especially cause of his position, I would think a catcher like Matt Wieters (.288/.340/.412/.752) would get some consideration (at least) as well.

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 06:03 PM) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4651324 Wow, no love for Beckham or Niemann, that's pretty rough since I believe the statistics would have Gordo as top hitter and Niemann as top pitcher. Yea which is utterly stupid. Now if Beckham winds up losing I hope it's for either Niemann or Anderson as I feel both guys are also as deserving though Porcello is also as up there with Anderson too. Gordo also changing positions from a natural SS to 3B basically learning on the fly from never playing there, could perhaps sway the vote for him as well. Now I don't think Andrus should or would get it anyways even though he is a good defensive SS, just doesn't have the numbers and I remember some analyst commenting about Porcello and only starting more against NL teams in interleague and hardly in the AL East. And unless a reliever puts up 03 Eric Gagne numbers in a season (meh.. may be alittle harsh on my part there) OR if there's no other candidates to even consider (Huston Street won it in 05 over Cano whose rookie season [.297/.320/.458/.778] wasn't that great, though he did do it in NY and Jonny Gomes SHOULD had won it though not hitting the 350 abs mark might have hurt him) I never feel a reliever (in this case Bailey) should win the award. But that's my two cents.

QUOTE (Felix @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 09:18 PM) I probably should have had Radiohead in my top 20, but I just forgot about them. I go through periods where I listen to them fairly often and others where I never listen to them at all, and it just turns out that this is one of the periods where I never listen to them Yea I couldn't believe I forgot Pearl Jam. It's gonna be one of those list when most posters will probably say "how the hell did I forgot that band" when the full list is up.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 08:39 PM) Brady is just paddling the Colts. Doesn't hurt when the Colts entire secondary is beat up and they are starting two rookie corners.

Broncos with their third straight loss. Are they still one of the elite teams Kev? I knew that team was vastly overrated. In fact.. they should either be 5-4 or 4-5 right now if it wasn't for miracle events. The Bengals are way more legit in my eyes than the Broncos.

Theres a strong rumor going around that Kane and Toews are real close to signing long term extensions, and they expect announcements as early as next week.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 14, 2009 -> 09:02 PM) What has Elton Brand become? A man trying to find himself... with a new offensive attack, (Princeton) not enough plays run in the post, benched in the 4th quarter(s), and playing with mostly athletes instead of basketball players.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 09:32 AM) huh? Edit: Never mind, found what you were talking about: I hate LeBron as a person, and I'm not buying that bulls***. Its funny I mentioned that a couple years ago he'd be overshadowed because of #23 and now he wants to change it in his FA year when New Jersey, New York, Miami and Chicago all have it retired? Go f*** yourself LeBron, the person.. but LeBron the player.... you can play here. Bulls and 76ers tonight should be a good game. Noah is making me excited to see him play.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 14, 2009 -> 05:07 PM) If our backup options are some version of Torres, perhaps Marquez et al., and Mr. "Offday"...it might be manageable...but if you're going to gamble on that, you better have a really good offense to bail you out if the worst case scenario hits. Defense too. Ely will probably be in the mix as well if he pitches as well in AAA like he did in AA.

I don't get why people are arguing Rios vs Crawford as far as position. Crawford is a superior LF defensively. That's where he belongs and where he fits comfortably.

QUOTE (The Beast @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 11:57 PM) Where are you going to school and what for? There's a lot of nice accelerated degree programs within the chicagoland area. Still undecided of the school as of now and even if I want to go in the spring or summer (I know.. gotta make up my mind quick) but more than likely.. Criminal Justice will be my field. QUOTE (qwerty @ Nov 14, 2009 -> 01:47 AM) Such could be debated. Seriously though, ace is not that dumb. Oh why thank you A.J. That means alot comming from you.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 10:39 PM) We won't. It would cost us $6.5 million + next year minimum to offer him arbitration, unless he signs with somewhere else first. That's 2-3 times the amount you'd pay for him right now otherwise. Offer him arbitration and Viciedo is our DH next year, potentially. It's 6.5? Coulda sworn it was lower.. If that's the case.. then yea, the sox probably won't unless Jenks and/or Linebrink are traded. Or they can always go the OCab route, and tell him they don't want him back and just decline it. EDIT: Your right Balta.. six mil actually, though can't he get only 5 mil if the two sides compromise?

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 11:05 AM) I wish college wasn't so required these days. I just am not a school person. Always tested very high on tests and am very intelligent but I hate the school setting. I would much rather work. This is probably why I am in year number 6 of college and still have no passion or desire to go into anything. Ditto. I actually commend you for going at least. I personally didn't want to try it and be stuck deep in the negative in terms of credit not to mention I hate school (you were probably alot better in grades than I was, I was more of the popular bad dude). I'm thinking about going to college in 2010 though after a near five year lay-off since now I know the field I'm probably going to go into at least.

Jeter's next movie.

Ummm.. yea if anyone told me that the Hawks would go into Boston Garden and not only win, but hold the Celtics to 86 points.. I would have laughed in your face.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 08:01 PM) Jesus does Toronto suck. I know their record is bad, but this is the first time I have seen them this year. Phil Kessel is a stud though. I actually remember him last year.. Wasn't he on Boston or Pittsburgh? Good find/trade by the front office.

QUOTE (GO CHI SOX! @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 07:39 PM) Offer Dotel arbitration and sign Thome dirt cheap. We are in a very good spot IMO on Dotel. Worst or Best (different view for some posters) case scenario, he accepts and he's another good veteran arm in the pen. Or.. he can decline it and we'd have a sup. pick comming to us. IMO personally... it's a win-win. The spect lover in me though hopes he declines, but I could definitely see Dotel accepting if he really likes the guys and the overall team here. I still like Dotel with us in the pen alot.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 04:22 PM) SA, the problem with waiting for Joey Votto or whomever the next stud who prices him out of his team's payroll is that we will be a year older. Joey Votto won't help us in 2010. Mark would be a year older. JP would be a year closer to leaving. Danks, Floyd, and Q will be getting more expensive, etc., etc. I agree with KHP....we need a sense of urgency while we have this rotation locked up and still in their primes. Obviously we don't want to be stupid about anything, but our time is now - 2010 - 2012 in my mind. All of those players you listed minus Buehrle are in their primes, Floyd is locked up, Peavy will be here for years, so only Danks/Quentin your talking about a raise with Konerko, A.J., etc.. all comming off the books in 2010. I do agree that we shouldn't do anything stupid as well, so we won't see any 7-1 deals anytime soon, but I understand that Adrian will be part of our core for at least 2 years. But i also don't feel we have a specific window. KW has done a wonderful job at not only keeping us competitive now, but for a very long time with youth guys now and up and comming (Beckham, Flowers, etc..) and as KHP eluted to, who knows how anything will be 3-4 years from now. KW has the chips for the deck that's for sure. I'd say we have a decent percentage of landing Adrian, not great and not bad. Now I will leave it the way it is, as now it's going from good stuff in here, to beating the dead horse.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 04:11 PM) Trudged through several parts of the first one but haven't seen it all the way through in 1 sitting. Understandable in my eyes.