Jordan4life_2007

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 6, 2009 -> 12:52 AM) It depends on how bad a position we are in by the break. I don’t see a problem with the team letting the kids get their feet wet, if anything it’ll put us in a better position to compete the very next year. If the organization finally waves the white flag and goes full-blown rebuilding mode (something that I wouldn't be totally against), then I wouldn't mind seeing some of the kids up. You can't go half-assed about it. We might have to go through a couple down years to get to where we ultimately want to be. Kenny is always talking about "sustained" runs of success. Well it's hard to do that when your farm has produced next to nothing for over a decade. It's clear that will never be a real factor when it comes to big free agents. So we have to get the farm in order.

Sox suffering from "power" shortage needs to be changed to Sox suffering from "talent" shortage.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 6, 2009 -> 12:09 AM) Apparently Buddy Bell commented yesterday that he's ready for the majors. So I think we see him this year, but that of course is because I see some massive changes going on in Chicago this season. I also think we might end up seeing all of the Bham guys shortly (Flowers/Allen/Viciedo). This organization has completely lost it if Flowers or Viciedo are anywhere near the bigs this season. I could see Allen up at some point.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 6, 2009 -> 12:07 AM) Danks is just absolutely raking right now. It'll be interesting to see how quickly the Sox move him along. If he keeps hitting at this pace, he has to be the cf next season, no? Granted, I'm sure people wouldn't be happy with another non proven player manning cf but it'd be hard to keep him out of that role imo. He's gotta get that K% down. It's one thing to K a lot when you're Ryan Howard. Danks doesn't project for much power.

Man, if we get shut down by Jeremy f***ing Sowers I'm going to officially snap. Be ready, Soxtalk. You're going to see a rant of epic proportion.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 11:57 PM) why all of the sudden does our pitching suck? they were good for so long and then, kablooey! last 4 games 5 runs, 5 runs, 7 runs, 6 runs Be the stopper tomorrow Gavin I'm worried about Danks. Not sure what his overall numbers are since those near flawless three starts to begin the season, but I'm certain they're pretty damn bad. It'd be really nice to get Floyd AND Danks pitching well at the same time.

Cubano is the s***.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 06:17 PM) I'm stuck between a power arm and a toolsy OF. If Brothers is available, I hope to god they take him.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 06:08 PM) Williams is the Sox pick again in BA's Mock Draft III I'm definitely on the athletic/toolsy outfielder bandwagon. I'll be happy with any one of Mitchell/Williams/Jackson.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 03:34 PM) IMNSHO Bonds was having a potential HoF career when, again, IMHO, he started the roids. He would not have been a HoF had he stopped at that point, so I am hesitant to call him a HoFer before steroids. I'd prefer to see all the names mentioned not in the hall and guys like Baines in. Huh? So when do you believe he started? The general consensus was that he started around 2000. Unless you believe he started way before that, I have no idea how could say he wasn't a HOF even before 'roids.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 10:20 AM) Nobody was specifically comparing the 2. Each team lost an all star player. End of story. Please stop. One is a 12-time All-star, a former MVP AND DPOY and future HOF. Jameer Nelson played a good half of basketball this year. The Celtics were done the moment it became clear KG was out for the playoffs. That's impact.

I say put him in. I say put Clemens, Bonds, McGwire in as well. To single certain guys out because it was "obvious" they were juicing or because they've broken records is silly. Steroids was a league-wide phenomenon during that time. Just about everybody was doing something illegal during that time. And as Manny Ramirez has proven, we still have guys that are cheating. All you can do is clean the s*** up and move on.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 12:00 PM) Indeed. I'm biased, but I'd take 1993-2004 Randy over both of them. Dominance is great, but dominance over most of a decade (with the first third in a hitter's park in the AL) is pretty much the definition of a HOFer. I'm still pissed that Randy got screwed out of the '04 NL Cy Young... would've been his sixth. Are you saying he got screwed because of what we now know about Clemens? RJ was definitely deserving that year (although a guy with 14 losses would be hard pressed to win it). But at the time it was pretty hard to argue against Roger winning it. It wasn't like the debacle that was the 2005 AL CY. Now that was a f***in' travesty.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 01:10 AM) Orlando was missing a starter too. The Boston series was 2 rounds ago. I dont understand the point in bringing them up now. And the Cavs series was a round ago, yet you brought it up. And the Celtics not having KG is not the same as the Magic not having Jameer Nelson. Sorry.

QUOTE (Felix @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 01:17 AM) ERA+ adjusts for ballpark and era, and Maddux's '94 and '95 both are better than Pedro's '99. But yeah, the fact that Pedro did what he did in the middle of the steroid era is absolutely ridiculous. Back to back years of 8+ K/BB and a low HR/9 in the middle of the juicing era is ridiculously good. I don't think they get much better than Pedro was in 2000. I know what ERA+ is. What I was saying is that Pedro's '99 came in a much more potent offensive league than what Maddux ever had to deal with. Not at all trying to downgrade what Maddux achieved those years. But I feel pretty confident when I say Maddux's numbers aren't quite as good (he still would've been dominating) across the board facing primarily AL lineups. Especially during that particular time.

I knew this thread was coming. Good work@Felix.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 12:51 AM) True but I dont think the Magic will shoot like they did in the Cleveland series. For as great as Orlando shot in that series, they still were 2 shots away from being home right now. LA just has too many weapons and Orlando wont have any answers for Kobe. I'll be shocked if this series went past 5 games. Orlando doesn't get past a healthy Boston. Not even close. In fact, a healthy Boston team repeats fairly easily, IMO.

QUOTE (Felix @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 10:21 PM) Greg Maddux from 1994 and 1995 says hi. It's pretty much impossible to match Pedro's 2000 season, but I'd take Maddux from both of those years over Pedro in 1999. Of course, when you're debating between a 271 and 262 ERA+ and a 243 and 291 ERA+, it's all amazing anyway and I'd be more than happy to take any of them And this came during the apex of the 'roid ERA. Making these performances even more astonishing. This is really nitpicking. But I'll go with Pedro's 99 over Maddux's '94 and '95. If only because of the ridiculous offensive numbers AL teams were putting up then. The league average for HR's and runs for AL teams in 1999 was 188 and 837. Those are staggering totals. The NL averages from '94 and '95, and any other year from that time for that matter, don't even come close.

And McCutchen wastes no time making an immediate impact. 2/4, 3 R, 1 RBI, 1 SB.

Not advocating it. But a change wouldn't hurt. Might not help. But this can no longer be tolerated.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 11:37 AM) Dustin Pedroia wasn't good the first year he came up. He played 31 games and hit like .190. His first full year though he was awesome. Meh, point still remains.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 11:18 AM) If the Sox had any nuts we'd currently have Porcello AND Beckham. I'm just trying my best to ignore all of our drafts this decade before 2007. 2007 is when I feel the organization finally realized we had a big f***ing problem.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 11:22 AM) According to his Wikipedia page, Beckham's nickname is "Bacon." Huh? Can anybody explain this to me? Ozzie referred to him as "Bacon" three or four times the other day. It was quite funny.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 11:12 AM) I'm sure that Beckham will be a very solid player in 1-3 years (maybe even an All-Star), but keep in mind how awful Ventura was in his first season in the bigs. I'll also keep in mind how good Dustin Pedroia and Evan Longoria were their rookie seasons. Or how Jay Bruce was able to make an impact right off the bat. Like I said, I'm not expecting Gordon to dominate. But I'm not expecting 4/31 with 12 K's either.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 10:18 AM) The Twins could be a few years from a Pirates like existance if these are the types of trades they are pulling off. A big part of their success has been trading guys who were about to cost them large amounts of money, for guys that became cornerstones for the next five years. Their last few deal have been dismal, leaving them to depend entirely on their farms system and washed up bargain free agents. That is not a good formula for success. They'll never be as bad as the Pirates as long as they have Mauer and Morneau. But I see where you're getting at.