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Chicago had a golden age of underground hip hop back in 94/95. There is an abundance of great music from that short time period, all jazz-rooted in terms of production. Just to name a few: All Natural, Rhymefest, Kinetic Order, Spelany's, Common Sense, No ID, Sidewalk Scholars, Rubberoom, Verbally Diseased, Mental Giants, etc. There's a s***load. The lyrics are conservative, the mcs are all intelligent and possess the gift of gab, the production is absolutely phenomenal, etc. That said, this Kanye West stuff is some of the worst crap that I've ever heard. It's piss-poor music. I dunno how people could put up with them lyrics posted up top. To each his own, I guess.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Feb 14, 2005 -> 05:56 AM) I said SOME SORT of offensive presence...Definitely more than Tyson... What saddens me is the huge strides Amare has made because Tyson could have and should have been something similar to that... Wallace's physique also helps a lot. If Tyson obviously isn't going the next Garnett, why not add a lot more muscle mass and become the defensive center he's capable of being? Skiles isn't playing him for a reason, guys... To me, if we're talking about defense, Chandler reminds me of David Robinson. He's a big lanky jolly green giant motherf***er who doesn't have the frame to add much bulk. Still though, he has the stuff that defensive legends are made of. If you're a Bulls fan, you should know by now what he brings to the table. That is, if you even take the time to analyze what he can do with his crazy combination of quickness, vertical leaping ability, length, and superior work ethic. The only thing that's holding him back is his back. That's why Skiles goes the conservative route with Chandler....it's no secret.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Feb 14, 2005 -> 05:46 AM) He has NO jump shot, which he can get away with a bit... But having absolutely NO post moves whatsoever is unacceptable.. That's what has taken Ben Wallace to that next level: the ablility to have some sort of offensive presence to keep your opponent's defense honest... Ben is still a terrible offensive player. He can't dribble. He can't shoot. His post moves are weak. Same deal as Tyson.

Greasy rules.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Feb 14, 2005 -> 03:10 AM) If he had better offensive skills and less mental mistakes, he'd get those 35 per... That's a load of crap. Chandler is the last guy on the team that they're drawing up plays for. He averages 5 shot attempts per night. He was never thought of as a long term offensive option. Krause saw the next Rodmanesque defensive freak, and that's all there is to it. Chandler is without a doubt a first team all-defensive caliber player. You don't have to be a freaking NBA scout to see that. Those are the players that you build championship teams around. We have offensive options in Gordon, Deng, Curry, and Hinrich. All that Chandler is supposed to do is be the goaltender. This is not a difficult concept. And these mental mistakes that you speak of....he makes less than just about any other Bull. So who are you crappin'?

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Feb 13, 2005 -> 05:44 AM) By the way, Bird was definitely a SF for the bulk of his career. You could make a case for him being the best SF ever. In my book it comes down to him and Dr. J. Just for fun, my All-time starting 5 PG tough call, but I like Oscar Robertson over Magic SG Michael, next SF Julius Erving PF Larry Bird (yeah, it's cheating, but I'm going small to leave more room for the man in the middle, and it makes me not have to choose between Erving and Bird. If I'm forced to take a PF, I'll go with Malone) C Wilt Chamberlain I'd put either Moses Malone or Bill Russell at PF. Moses Malone had 2,500 more offensive rebounds than the next closest mang in NBA history, and Bill Russell had close to 22,000 rebounds altogether (second to Wilt and 4,000 more boards than the #3 ranked player, not to mention the fact that he's the greatest defender ever with 11 rings and 8 in a row at one point). You could never, ever, ever make a case that Russell wasn't the centerpiece of every last one of those championship teams. I like your PG call of Oscar Robertson over Magic. Larry Bird was a small forward through and through. The fact that some people on this board are completely unaware of that frightens me.

Y'all think that it's all just a hoax, buy you gonna learn. In my best Larry Fishburne voice: OH YEAH YOU GONNA LEARN

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Feb 12, 2005 -> 06:39 AM) is response to the greatest PF ever i think id give that to larry bird call me crazy Yeah, I would call you crazy. Kevin McHale was the starting PF for the Celtics, remember?

QUOTE(qwerty @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 05:24 AM) he will still go down in history as one of the best shooters to ever play the game. Yep, I can't disagree with that. However, he was never, in any given year, one of the Top 10 or even Top 15 players in the NBA IMO. That sounds like a bold statement, but really, it's not. Reggie peaked in the early-to-mid nineties. Think about the 1992 Dream Team roster. Then think about guys who weren't included on that team: Hakeem Olajuwon, Isiah Thomas, Dennis Rodman, etc. He's one of the best shooters ever, but he's waaay overrated. He doesn't come close IMO to being a candidate for Top 50 in NBA history. I'm not trying to s*** on the dude's memory, I'm just sayin'. I mean, come on, the dude can't even beat his sister.

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QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 08:54 AM) Since when is defense important in the NBA All Star game? I hear that. I chose my words carefuly, though. I said if it were up to me. Actually, if it were up to me, I'd just eliminate the NBA all star game altogether. They don't even advertise the players. In the commercials, they show Puff Daddy, Jay-Z, Ashton Kutcher, and every other loser that you can think of. It's not even about the NBA, let alone defense. But then again, in 2005, the NBA is the purest of the major sports by far, so I can't really complain. Teams actually get to keep their impact players...can you imagine that?

Hey, I'm down like Paul McCartney.

Best thread ever!

QUOTE(qwerty @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 06:47 AM) He is still way to sloppy with some of his passes. Whatever what happened to the shooter he was at kansas? I don't know about you. But i am not a fan of having two starters shooting under .40 % from the field ( duhon and hinrich). Also whoever said he is a triple double threat every night in that other thread you posted is f***ing nuts. Triple double threat every night Oh man, my insides hurt after laughing so hard at that one. The less Hinrich shoots, the better. I definitely agree. He needs a few more summers in the gym so that he could develop some confidence. Right now, he's an offensive liability. But he has the basketball smarts, work ethic, and the physical ability to be a damn good point guard within the next couple of years.

See, if it were up to me, I'd put Bruce Bowen in there ahead of Manu Ginobli. Just about any coach will tell you that he's second to Artest if we're talking about just straight up suffocating an opposing team's #1 perimiter scorer (more often than not the #1 scorer, period).

QUOTE(qwerty @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 06:39 AM) I never even voted. But chandler is my pick with deng and gordon as close second and third picks. Gordon is the lowest out of the three because he is very far from being an all around player. I hear that. I'd have to put Hinrich behind Chandler, though. When he peaks, he's gonna be something else. He does all of the little things so well.

Here it is, perhaps the saddest poll that I've seen here on soxtalk. Chandler with a whopping two votes I know I voted for him, but I dunno who else did.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 06:27 AM) One thing that was over shadowed by the loss tonight was chandler. Twenty rebounds, nine f***ing offensive reounds, three blocks, twelve points, and is arguably a top five intimidator in the paint. I don't care what anyone says, if we have to make a decision i take tyson over curry. He changes the entire game when he is in there, You cannot say the same for curry. If you give chandler 35 minutes a game watch the f*** out. He will be ben wallace redux. I'll take Chandler over anyone on this team in a heartbeat. I remember back when we had a poll to determine the most important Bull. Gordon got over 20 votes. Deng got a s***load of votes. Chandler got like 3 votes, maybe 4. I'm still in shock.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 06:17 AM) Howard is in his second year. Also, i would not really consider dirk a ball hog. He is the first scoring option. You put him on any team he is the first scoring option out side of about two teams maybe three. The only teams he would not be the first scoring option on for sure is the sixers and lakers. I have said it alot before but i would kill to have him. He can get a wide open shot any time he wants and he has vastly improved on defense. That has always been the knock on him, even though in all reality he was not that bad. His scoring just out weighs his defense. Howard is in his second year, but he makes a lot of rookie mistakes. I'd consider Dirk a ball hog, which could be a good thing based on the team that you surround him with. Every team needs that one guy who wants the ball when the shot clock is winding down. But in the Mavs case, they have four of those guys.

Well, back when I was in 8th grade, banging the attractive 27 year old female would have only turned you into a legend, and not a basketcase in need of a psychiatrist. Is it absolutely pathetic that a 27 year old woman would participate in sexual intercourse with an 8th grader? You're damn right. Is the kid gonna need a psychiatrist? Hahahahahaaa!!!! I don't think so.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 08:25 PM) well i know a lot about the mavericks and they have 2 consistent defenders in Howard and Dampier. Nowitzski uses all his energy on offense as you can see and Finley and Terry just arent great defenders. They do have a rookie guard though who is apposed to be pretty good but i dont know how his defense is. Dampier is a consistent defensive player? Well, just from watching one game against the Bulls, you can see Dampier not knowing the distance between himself and the baseline (Curry facial), or his inability to get back on help defense (Deng facial). And that's just one game, so, you know.... More often than not, Dampier completely disappears. That was the major knock on him in Golden State. And that rookie you speak of is the 5th overall pick in the draft -- Devin Harris. He'll be an exceptional defensive player in the long run. He made some noise in the first month of the season when he was awarded the Rookie Of The Month award. Since then, he's hit a wall, and then some. Josh Howard is like the guy in the pool hall who scratches as he knocks in the 8 ball. Too many rookie mistakes, which is to be expected, I guess. The last thing that I would call him at this point is consistent (on offense or defense). What the Mavs get by on is their superior depth. As qwerty stated, this is a shoot-first team that asks questions later. They could wreck shop during the regular season, but come playoff time, they're a disgrace. What do Dirk, Terry, Finley, and Stackhouse all have in common? They're all ball hogs without rings. I mean, think about it. You have four of these guys on the same team. Sounds like a nightmare to me.

Good old number 22 is just another delusional wife-beating jackass motherf***er.

Happy birthday, man!

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