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QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 07:01 PM) If the Sox are still mired in mediocrity next July, I hope that Sale is the first one out the door in the fire sale. I won't miss him. If they tank this year, he'll be in a Red Sox jersey come December

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:58 PM) Here's the thing about this KW may have done the right thing, certainly it seems that way on paper. LaRoche may have done what he needed to do. The net result though is that the team is pissed off and the fans are screwed, and it seems to be a pattern with this organization. We lose a potential vital LH bat that we really need in the lineup, and the $13 million in savings does us as fans no good, necessarily. This has all the feeling of Baines getting his number retired and then getting traded. It has the feel of Frank Thomas leaving the organization, of Fisk with the sour taste in his mouth. And this team honestly wonders why they have a PR problem and problems getting asses in seats. As a pure baseball move, this is incredible for the Sox

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago Sale told Williams, unequivocally, to get out of the clubhouse and stay out, per a source. Williams acknowledges meeting was passionate. 2/2

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 05:51 PM) At this point he can't come back IMO. Why not, the players are supporting him and would love for him to return.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 05:52 PM) LOL a grievance for what? On what grounds? The best player on the team is pissed because KW made a reasonable request to one of the worst players on the team? This whole thing is incredibly stupid. Clearly LaRoche will argue they had a verbal agreement

yep, not going away Andy McCullough ‏@McCulloughTimes Tony Clark said the MLBPA has not yet ruled out the possibility of filing a grievance on Adam LaRoche's behalf with the White Sox.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:44 PM) The fundamentals deck is going to have a 4 inning time limit. It will be there for 3 years, max

In all seriousness, how long before Latos gets blamed for going to KW

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 7m7 minutes ago The main thrust of Chris Sale's anger with Kenny Williams was that he's not around enough to understand the dynamics of White Sox clubhouse.

KW really is falling on the sword Jeff PassanVerified account ‏@JeffPassan 5m5 minutes ago After GM Rick Hahn and manager Robin Ventura OK'd Drake LaRoche's presence, for Williams to unilaterally say otherwise set the players off.

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 6m6 minutes ago F-bombs aplenty flew during the White Sox's meeting with Kenny Williams. Players so pissed they considered boycott, as @karlravechespn said. Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 8m8 minutes ago Heard same as @thekapman: In a contentious meeting, Chris Sale absolutely lit up White Sox prez Kenny Williams over Adam LaRoche situation.

Duke is the laziest defensive team I've ever seen. They look like they're playing 4 on 5 defensively.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:25 PM) I take it you have never yelled at anyone. We weren't privy to the conversation, but it had to do with his career, so the yelling might have been something most of us, except maybe you, have done. Sale yelling at KW about the closer thing is the best thing Sale has said in his life. Things like the Tigers cheating was pretty foolish though.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:24 PM) I'm also legitimately concerned moving forward that this will hurt the Sox's FA pull. Can't imagine many players want to be a part of something like this. The thing that's so crazy about this is that Reinsdorf has been TOO loyal to his players/ex-players the last decade or so.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:23 PM) I'm actually hoping the opposite will occur, along the lines of your Major League analogy. Yeah, the fact Ventura convinced them to play for him is impressive. Good news is the Sox have a lot of guys on 1-year contracts that would be killing future contract options if they let this impact them and tank this season.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:20 PM) That isn't the point, and yet people continue to argue it as if it is. The point is that the Sox told him he could have his kid around all the time and then they changed their mind, after he relied upon their decision to come to his own decision to sign here. I agree, and it's why they should have come to an agreement. As David Haugh said, if LaRoche just turned around and retired without second thought, then he was probably looking for an excuse to quit.

pretty good stuff https://twitter.com/TheHerd/status/710506405162127360

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:16 PM) But there is KW saying the team bonded in their support of him against KW. If it was players who drove KW to this, that's another lie. you really expect to hear KW say "it was great to see 49 of the 50 players bond in the clubhouse". The player(s) that went to KW pretty clearly wants to remain anonymous.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:14 PM) So... Is there any sort of concern that this carries over into the season & comes a breaking point to a complete s*** show? I don't see how there isn't at this point. There needs to be a resolution on the situation by LaRoche, followed by some massive damage control by management with the clubhouse.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:12 PM) It is not clear players have an issue with him. The facts seem to indicate the opposite. There's never going to be the smoking gun that you want, which is a player(s) admitting they told KW it was a distraction to either them or to LaRoche.

I bet Konerko had no idea what he was getting into yesterday when he spoke with the team.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:05 PM) And that shows the difference between claiming you're a good father and actually being a good father. A good father would say what he wants to say behind closed doors and keep his kid out of the controversy. Sure seems like he's trying to take Kenny down with him. How about LaRoche retires, KW quits and all is well!!

QUOTE (Doc Edwards Shot @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:04 PM) I haven't found any evidence that other players in the clubhouse didn't want the kid there. Two Score personalities have mentioned it now. It will never be confirmed though.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 05:00 PM) He did go somewhere else. Its not like he's suing them. Give it time

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) Also doesn't do errands, clean up and help out. It is strange the team reaction is so strong when this LaRoche kid was nothing but a pain in the ass. Why didn't you tell us what a nuisance Drake LaRoche was last season? Why isn't everyone saying what an idiot Chris Sale is for being pissed off about it? Another day, another Sale eruption. You can like an athlete without particularly caring for how they act in the media.