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And easy path to roster as the Sox have several on 40 man who will return to 60 day IL. Some other teams may not want to risk someone on their 40.

I had him in my plan on three years maybe with incentives triggering a fourth. He wants max money and should have a chip on his shoulder after last year. He might like sticking it to his old team several times a year. He is okay if your #3 this year then #4 then #5 in third year. He will want to be paid like a #2. I think he is out there because no one has gone to four years.

Part of me is hopeful that we could have meaningful games in the fall. If the average outing is 4 innings x 30 starts = 120 innings. It leaves enough innings to let him go six innings his last few starts or multiple 5 innings or most hopefully make post season starts. If his hard cap is 140-150 you might not have to shut him down yet you have still protected him. Obviously, this all changes if he appears fatigued/pain etc.

Thank you very much and hopefully this board can be a place where people can respectfully disagree. Appreciate your thoughts as well.

Keeping him in warm weather and potentially a reduced/modified work load is not grounds for a grievance. You are protecting an asset. Regaining the year is a happy byproduct of protecting him. Maybe the next CBA addresses players on a injured list for a prolonged period should get partial service time accumulation. I could see that concession from players if the overall time to free agency is lessened but that should be another thread entirely.

Rereading I will add for clarification. One start of 3 innings or 60 pitches. The next start 4 innings or 80 pitches. Third start 5 innings or 100 pitches. Repeat the cycle. The rest of my post stands. This could work for other pitchers coming back as well.

I addressed Kopech in more length here for those that missed it and how I expect him to be handled. It was based off Hahn comments though I don't have quotes. The specifics of the plan are mine.

Has anyone seen anything anywhere regarding Wood's health? He seems to be a favorite add but couldn't pitch because of his back. I have looked and found nothing.

Meh vets would be a tremendous improvement over what we put out at the end of the year.

Getting something better than nothing. Maybe a DSL flier or SS throw in? Obviously he wouldn't have a lot of value so probably best to give him his last chance. Just spitballing that they may be a team willing to give something. Hell, I hope Carson is working with Vandy or some pitching guru this off season.

Poop! to quote a famous poster but thanks for the info. Maybe we resign him.

Wonder if Cincy would have interest in Fulmer. Their pitching coach came from Vandy and fixed alum Sonny Gray. If we have to expose Carson to waivers, I bet they bite so maybe a winter swap when we can get something?

My second half or Sept sleeper is Jacob Lindgren. LHP. Drafted second round by the Yankees in 2014 and made it to the majors in 2015. Injuries wiped out all of 17-18. Picked up off scrap heap and now 26. Made it to High A. Looks like never pitched back to back games but previously stuff was there. At A+, 12 g 17.2ip with 17k and 4 w. If stays healthy may have a chance. Again, this is a very deep sleeper and with injury history certainly could get reinjured and be done. It would make a good story.

With what we see as the cost of decent pitching, to not get the year back is crazy. Wonder if he looks great in spring training you could do a deal getting 1-2 free agent years covered and make it a non issue?

Of the three Tier C options, the only one I want is Keuchle because I wouldn't give up the draft pick. Sorry, not for that tier or that contract length. I want a guy who will be good for 4-5 years to sacrifice the pick, not a guy I am holding my breathe for his health or nose on the tail end of the deal. If I can't get a C, Miley at two years ok. After one of the above, my one year guy would be Gio as I said before to start at the beginning of year and then maybe piggy back with Kopech. My reclamation project, so one year with a team option, would be Taijuan Walker who did make it back to the mound at the end of the year. Until his medicals are in order, don't give Wood much of anything guaranteed, his back was toast last year.

Anyone's know where Menechino profiles in his use of analytics? Would he have influence over minors or is that strictly the domain of Getz?

Charlie Brown, Lucy, and the football. Youngsters go look it up.

Gets grounders? Is as close to a positive comment as I can come.

The minor league protected lists are not published so no way to know prior to the picks being announced.

Bump as I think ptatc is medical and may have input and is on the board tonight.

Page one of this thread in the initial post from Sept! Nimmo was my plan B to Brett Gardner. Obviously can't do Yolmer now and they added a mediocre cf so may not want Engel but the idea holds. If Lowrie can still play, he could hold second until Madrigal comes up and if Lowrie can't play cut him. I so prefer this to Mazzara a bad defender who hasn't had a above average park adjusted offensive year. There is still a FA outfielder who hits left handed with bWAR the last 4 years of 3.4,4.9,2.8, and last year 4.0 available. Brett Gardner could be had for only money. Again it is location, he wants to retire a Yankee but hell for a couple extra million and no prospects lost go get him.

Yeah don't think many saw Stras getting the largest pitching contract ever or for a short time. Boras will still orchestrate things to his advantage. Think that is why rumors of dodgers and Angels now thinking about Rendon as if they are setting up a large add even if they miss on Cole.

Years ago I advocated for a complete revamping of our entire system. I advocated for paying Vanderbilts coach Tim Corbin whatever it took for him to implement all through our system. Hell I would have let him manage eventually if that was needed to seal the deal. I felt the top college programs were way ahead in terms of scouting and development. Every year many of the best players/recruits get snagged by MLB and colleges have to turn to plan B and/or develop guys. Vanderbilt is at a huge competitive disadvantage from a cost standpoint. For those unaware, most college baseball guys are on fractions of a scholarship due to title 9. If a instate college tuition is 15k and Vandy is 50k, the amount a player's family must come up with if each offer 1/3 of a scholarship is huge(10 vs 34) per year. Some lottery states have free tuition. They don't wave academic requirements. Despite the disadvantages, Vandy is a premier program every year. Now you see pitching coaches being hired by MLB big clubs from college programs. Former Vandy pitching coach fixed Sonny Gray(Vandy) at Cincinnati last year. We could have been something cutting edge as I advocated a lot of college coaches/scouts throughout the minors in player development not just the good old boy network. Also because colleges have smaller staff, but were ahead of MLB in technology, those college coaches learned how to communicate it to players better. So players heard it from a coach not a analytic office nerd who never played. Those guys bridged the gap. It kills me to think where we would be. Other teams trying to copy how we are cutting edge. Sorry, I have to go cry.......

Everything said should have a reason. If not listen.

Dug on Walker. Best year 2017 fastball 93.9 avg . 2018 TJ. 2019 shoulder issues. Pitched that one inning. Fb 93.3 in obviously sss .