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So the real Rockies trade would be: Rockies Lose: Joe Kennedy SP Jay Witasick. RP Rockies Receive: Omar Quintanilla IF Adam Stern OF Kelly Shoppach C Not a bad trade if you ask me.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 30, 2005 -> 12:26 AM) Aubrey Huff would be a nice addition if he could be had for a fair price. He could play some 3B, some 1B, some RF, some DH. And he'd be a lefty bat. But he's not worth signing as a full-time player at any of those positions. Lyle Overbay is a 1B without power. Again, he's a nice average ballplayer. He would help us, but Milwaukee isn't trading him so it's a moot point. Eddie Guadado is a very nice relief pitcher. He's been solid at it for longer than Dustin Hermanson. If Seattle would take Damaso Marte for him straight up, I'd do it in a second. But he's said to have a bum shoulder and he has a $7 million option for next year. That's way too pricey for the Sox. Danys Baez has 7 blown saves this year. In 2003 he had 10. I wouldn't want him if they gave him to us, which TB won't do. Manny Ramirez is a great hitter. But he's a malcontent, a terrible fielder, and he has a contract that's $19 million/year for the next 3 years. You think JR would pay that? Would Manny be happy as a DH? Let him go to the Mets. Who am I missing? None of these guys is worth moving Brandon McCarthy for. McCarthy is a very solid pitcher. Look at Oakland. They have retooled with young arms like Brandon McCarthy. These guys win, but cost them nothing. Do you know how valuable that is? I think McCarthy just got rushed, based on his spring training performance, and it messed him up a bit. Remember, hadn't he only pitched a bit in AA before being raced to the big leagues? Now that he's been allowed to settle down, he has. It may be that he needs an offseason to develop a cutter to get better movement on his fastball, and to gain confidence in his changeup. With those pitches, and his ability to throw strikes, the kid could be a 15-game winner next year, or in 2 years. We are going to need 2 new starters pretty soon to replace Contreras and El Duque. McCarthy should be one of them. And in the meantime, I think McCarthy would be better than Jenks pitching out of the pen in this year's postseason. So don't think he can't help us this year. He can. *************** I'm not against making a trade. I'm just against giving up a critical piece of our future for a very marginal gain in the present. P.S. I'd be willing to give up any other player or players on our AAA club, but not McCarthy. Aubrey Huff is not worth signing to a long term contract at any of 1B, DH or OF? Well that makes s*** of sense. Last take a look at Aubrey Huff's short career shall we. _____________________________________________________________ 2000: (Rookie Year) only 122 ABs batted .287 with 4 HRs and a .760 OPS 2001: 411 ABs 25 2B, 8 HR, 45 RBI, .248 BA, .288 OBP, .660 OPS 2002: 454 ABs 25 2B, 23 HR, 59 RBI, .313 BA, .364 OBP, .884 OPS 2003: 636 ABs 47 2B, 34 HR, 107 RBI, .311 BA, .367 OBP, .922 OPS 2004: 600 ABs 27 2B, 29 HR, 104 RBI, .297 BA, .360 OBP, .853 OPS 2005: 364 ABs 17 2B, 13 HR, 60 RBI, .266 BA, .326 OBP, .749 OPS +++ '05 July: 93 ABs 6 2B, 8 HR, 21 RBI, .311 BA, .347 OBP, .958 OPS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking at his '03 and '04 seasons alone at the age of 26 and 27 once he was settled into the league (you can't count this season seeing how there's still 2 months left), if you average those two seasons out you get: '03+'04: 618 ABs 37 2B, 31 HR, 105 RBI, .304 BA, .363 OBP, .887 OPS That my friend is a 30/100/.300 player with a .875+ OPS. Those types of players are hard to come by. He would be worth signing to a long term contract to serve as your 1Bman or DH. He's only 28 and switching to a contender would most likely just improve his production seeing how he'll have something to play for for the first time in his career. - Overbay is not an average player and does have POWER, despite popular opinion, however I'm tired and I'll let you look up those stats yourself. The $7M option you speak of for next year is not in existence. '06: $4.25M Player Option + $6.25M Team Option. Most likely with a player like Gaurdado who is a stud closer, he would pick up his player option for $4.25M which is extremely reasonable for a player of his caliber. Hell even if he didn't pick up his option and the team picked up their option on him he'd make $6.25M next year which is not outrageous. As for the partially torn rotator cuff, it has not been a problem for him for the first 4 months of the season and I would take the chance that it would not be a problem for the final 3 months. He said if it came down to it he'd have the surgery to repair the partial tear after this season which would mean immediate surgery and rehab which would most likely put him back on the team in April. Oh yeah Billy Wagner is making $9M this season. Just some food for thought. Huff - 30/100/.300 guy Overbay - Excellent 1Bman with good gap power and high BA Gaurdado - Stud closer with possible injury problem, could be a huge difference maker for a contender.

*FOR FUTURE REFERENCE* I am going to post the ENTIRE Manny Ramirez contract + incentives. Manny Ramirez: 8-year contract worth $160M 2005: $18.067M 2006: $19M 2007: $18M 2008: $20M 2009: $20M - Team Option 2010: $20M - Team Option + $3M of his 2001 salary and $4M of his 2002 salary is deferred through 2008 + $75K bonus for ever All-Star selection + $150K for LCS MVP + $150K for WS MVP + $75K for Silver Slugger + $200K for MVP + $125K, $100K, $75K and $50K for 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th for MVP voting finish + $1M bonus if traded + Receives a NO-TRADE clause if any other Red Sox player should receive one + Becomes a 10-5 player after the '05 season Agent: Greg Genske

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 30, 2005 -> 12:20 AM) This rumore makes my stomach queezy. I don't like it. I don't like even being mentioned in this rumor even if it is just speculation. I HIGHLY doubt the Red Sox would trade Manny to us anyway. I can't even imagine how badly KW would overpay for Manny. KW wouldn't overpay for Manny, he wouldn't want to take on that contract.

QUOTE(UC76 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 11:28 PM) Nomar????????????? Ugh. I don't like this idea. Only if Mia Hamm promises to come to every game in a bikini. Our leftfielder's girlfriend is 1,000,000 X hotter than Nomah's. Mia Hamm is not that good looking. or

QUOTE(Benchwarmerjim @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 07:03 PM) tough break guys as much as he hurts the Twins all the time, I still kind of like the guy. Never want to see a dude out for the year And on the same day you guys lose one of your best hitters, not to mention your best defensive players in Torii Hunter. That f***ing sucks for him and the Twins. Hope he comes back at full strength once he's fully healed.

How dare you! This thread is reserved for me and my half assed photoshop dabacles.

I don't even like the idea of us being mentioned in all this. It will require too much talent to acquire a player of Manny's caliber not to mention his horrid contract.

Yeah that's what they're saying on an Orioles board. Orioles receive: Eric Byrnes Rockies receive: Larry Bigbie Though there is an article from Sporting News saying that the trade is off. It looks like this is going through.

Rowand Flys out to right. Inning over.

Konerko walks.

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QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 06:39 PM) How about some black and white lettering? We can do that.

1 question, why is it that every thread you start is a poll? Do you just like getting a feeling for what people are thinking through the poll and not reading thier responses in the thread?

QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 06:32 PM) Huff hits #13 tonight... He's been hot lately.

QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 05:03 PM) KW holds McCarthy a lot higher than mostly everyone here does after his unsuccesful major league stints so its safe to say that unless its worth it KW will not let McCarthy go. In KW I trust. 2005 White Sox Version. f*** Dusty.

QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 06:11 PM) Per CBSSportsline... Nevin to Texas for Chan Ho Park!!! IF NEVIN ACCEPTS!!! LMAO. Gotta love that contract of Chan Ho's.

QUOTE(Whitesoxfan56 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 06:05 PM) We'll c. Because if you listened to SC they said manny was goin to the Mets and Baez and Huff to the Red Sox. Actually you're wrong. Tivo is a beautiful thing. Red Sox: Aubrey Huff Mets: Manny Ramirez, Danny Baez Devil Rays: Prospects.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 05:01 PM) The last post in ATH was the 10,000 reply in it just thought id say that Compared to the Inside Beat which has been around for what like 2 weeks and already has 8,981 posts in it.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 05:00 PM) This is your fault, I saw him quote you on Manny and I got confused. Asshole Too many rumors and s***, clogs your brain things start to bleed together.

QUOTE(Adam G @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 04:54 PM) Last I checked this was a Griffey thread. I knew that. Obviously Rowand doesn't though.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 04:54 PM) Can we get Urbina instead? The question is would you really want him?

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 04:50 PM) It's been how many years since Griffey was able to play a full season? (Serious question as when I looked it up, it looked like it's been about 5 years - not sure if that info was accurate or not.) It would be 2000, seeing how that was the last time he had 500 ABs. Interesting enough that was his first season with the Reds.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 04:45 PM) Then I belive either you are a liar or the people you know are liars because he would have never received a public appology from that guy in St. Louis if it was even close to being true. Helton was IRATE when he heard this stuff. He was more pissed off than Bo Jackson when someone said something about him. I seriously don't care what Helton said publicly, if he was irrate or not. I never claim to have any sources ever, so I seriously would have no reason to lie about it. And as for the people I've heard it from, I highly doubt they would make some s*** up like that. I'm not one to go around claiming inside information and I have no need to make up something as petty as this.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 04:38 PM) Will Carroll in Baseball Prospectus said the White Sox sweetened their offer to Philadephia for Wagner by throwing Crede in. It was McCarthy, Marte and now Crede. Maybe it means they would acquire Huff to play 3b. Maybe it isn't even true. But it is some new information. NO! That's f***ing stupid. You don't trade Crede and put Huff in as a replacement, Crede is one of the reasons that the Sox have gotten this far, his defense has been absolutely stellar this season. Replacing him with Huff would be a GIANT downgrade defensively. Huff can not play 3B everday.