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Rios is an idiot.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 01:54 PM) Didn't some thread say that Rios wouldn't approve a trade to the Yankees and they're on his no-trade list? Here you go http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox-talk/r...ed-down-yankees

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 01:36 PM) Cubs listening on offers for Samardzija according to Rosenthal. Great If true someone sure seems to have a firm grasp that they are in the same market as the White Sox . Traded Garza before Peavy, supposedly beat the Sox to the Yanks on Rios now alledgedly throwing Samardzija into the same arena as PV.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) You're getting tired of waiting - we're all getting tired of waiting. More importantly... I hope that Texas, St. Louis, Oakland, Arizona, etc are getting tired of waiting as well. Hopefully it's just driving up the return we get. Boring as nails but hell, it's fine... We can be a little more bored together until Wednesday. I'm so tired I havn't slept a wink. Im so tired my mind is on the blink. Beatles So tired , tired of waiting, The Kinks

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 12:24 PM) What was the purpose of overusing Crain? Sorry I am not the hungry fish you think I am to take the bait on such a loaded question.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 01:01 PM) Wow. Talk about not understanding the game. ANY pitch can be a pitcher's last pitch. Sure, IF a pitcher is actually overworked (and I personally believe that Crain was borderline overworked earlier in this year), such overwork MIGHT increase the likelihood of significant injury, but all pitchers run the risk of serious injury each time they rock and fire the pill. One of the major orthopods -- perhaps Jobs or Andrews -- was asked about pitcher X being "unlucky" because they suffered a career derailing arm injury while guys like Nolan Ryan and Greg Maddux just rolled along year after year after year. The Good Doctor stopped the questioner cold and said something like: "Guys like Ryan and Maddux are freaks ... NOBODY'S arm should be able to withstand the repetitive abuse of the inherently unnatural pitching motion ... it's a matter of time, a matter of luck, but arms are simply designed to fail." I think all Sox fans are upset about the incredibly poor timing of Crain being injured yet again (and it is "yet again" because he's had minor arm injury issues throughout his career). It sucks. Such poor timing. Like with Gavin Floyd earlier in the year, a relatively healthy Crain would have been a really nice trading chip for a rebuilding team. But it's another thing altogether to play the blame game for losing that trading chip. Crain was here to pitch for the White Sox. Period. He wouldn't have been considered a potentially valuable trading chip if he hadn't pitched for the White Sox (and pitched successfully). Blaming Ventura, or Cooper, or Hahn, or anyone for NOT having the ability to see into the future is ridiculous, UNLESS the alleged "overworking" was so patently extreme that no reasonable baseball people would have done anything remotely similar. And no way are Ventura, Cooper, or Hahn guilty of "overworking" Crain by that standard. Cry all you want about a lost opportunity, Marty, but blaming anyone is absolutely wrong. PS - To those who tell me I shouldn't bother "feeding a troll" ... I don't care. This post is less about arguing with Marty, than it is throwing out some thoughts about pitching and injuries. Such a good poster , so few posts. But glad to see more of you lately. Your baseball acumen is only exceeded by your ability to state your case .

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 12:45 PM) Boston has to be the front runner. Their pitching situation should have them desperate and from what I have read Jake is their favorite on the market as he should be. I don't see the Cards and Mozeliak giving in to our demands. I think I prefer Adams to Cecchini at this point but I would be happy with either as long as we get a little something extra with them. That worries me a bit too. Boston may perceive themselves to be the only serious contender for Peavy . Their prospects and team in general gets incredible coverage from the east coast based media ( Gammons,ESPN) and their rabid fan base. They've also had incredible luck getting great performances when bringing up guys like Middlebrooks and Iglesias whose minor league numbers were never that impressive. Keeping Jake won't be the worst thing that could happen but it would be a shame if the Sox can't cash in on the position they are in with him.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 12:18 PM) Seriously. Even so, I would deal with a below average defense to have cost controlled young LH bat in the middle of our order anyways but that poster should be corrected so there is no false belief that Adams can't pick it at 1B. That's what the Sox have been looking for all along . I would guess if a deal with St. Louis goes through it will only be if Adams is part of the package. His minor league numbers are impressive and so has been his play in the majors thus far. I keep reading that its a sellers market and I said early on it's a buyers market just based on my perception that teams wouldn't be willing to trade their top prospects ,so I'm definitely in the minority on that. So far not a lot done ,sellers asking for a lot. Guess we'll see who has the upper hand soon enough.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 11:40 AM) He's also been a 60 inning pitcher in part because he gets hurt pretty regularly every year. For him, missing a month is kinda normal. Yep maybe someone should look into his age and injury history before they make claims of overuse this year. Same guy who wanted Jones sent down which would've put Crain to use even more .If you baby the guy because he's a free agent then maybe he never racks up the gaudy numbers he put up this year and you end up hearing why isn't Crain in there ? Damned if you do damned if you don't . Damned even further by sending down Jones. Trollish behavior at best idiotic at worst.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 11:56 AM) Russell hasn't been playing for a week or so. Not directed at SoxPride, but another poster had said Adams is a butcher at 1B and I've read the contrary. Namely, Mike (the STL fan) has posted and says he moves quite well over there despite his big body. Can someone comment on what we would be looking at as far as return with SF? I like Crick's potential but I feel like he may be untouchable for SF. Anyone else know of their system? The only other guys I can think of off the top of my head are Gary Brown and Stratton. Brown is meh and I know little to nothing about Stratton other than him being a 1st rounder in '12. If you go to the Cards website you will find an article about how he (Adams) lost weight in the offseason specifically to improve his fielding and it paid off. Beside we're talking about replacing Konerko and Dunn at 1st so please let's get real. That same poster thinks the Sox could get Adams and more for Lexi and Lindstrom

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 11:27 AM) Peter Gammons ‏@pgammo 1m If what GMs say the pricetags on Peavy, Norris, Lee and Santana hold, Wednesday is going to be very quiet. Gammons is a shill for the Red Sox.

The final piece to the puzzle on if the Sox can get Matt Adams is Holliday returning from the DL now and how he does. If he hits well in the next few days I think the Sox could get Adams.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 07:36 AM) Yeah he's got an OPS over .800 career. Not sure what has happened this year. Dunnswisher Syndrome

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 09:13 AM) What? The kid is currently 27th in pitchers WAR, 38th in ERA if you don't like advanced metrics. He's pitching like a high-end #2 starter right now. Why are you undervaluing him? He's only 24 years old and might even get better. Because he is way too opinionated for a guy who seems to know very little about baseball. The Sox would be all over Adams if they could get him.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 11:23 PM) I would prefer to do Ramirez, Lindstrom and Crain for that package with a PTBNL based off Crains health and performance. Cards have good relief pitchers they want peavvy and / or ramirez .

Wite you're not fat you're pleasantly plump.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 07:47 PM) Yes, but either the Sox will send a lot of money to the teams willing to take on Peavy/Rios or they won't. How much money philosophically are the Sox willing to burn, just to have teams take the big money guys in return for prospects. It's not a question any one can answer but I'll try . I think for the right deal they'd pay a max of $10-12 mill if it inolved Dunn and/or multiple expensive players traded together like PV and Rios but I also think you won't see that , maybe half that up to 6 Million possible in the right deal.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 07:42 PM) Have the Sox beat writers written how much money the team is willing to send with these two players? They need to get some sources and tell us what Jerry is willing to spend on these guys' salaries with their new teams. Why would writers know anything about that until a player is traded? It can vary to nothing to everything depending on every possible factor you can imagine.

I love Conors approach , at least against righties.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 07:07 PM) At some point tonite you would hope one of those would fall in. Eight hits and no runs I've already shot my mouth off enough about the lineup construction so I'll defer.

Shields falling behind every hitter ,another 2 hits, a rocket by Conor run down in RCF gap by Cain a walk and a WP and 3 more stranded.

Sox seem like they're right on the verge of crushing the crap Shields is throwing today and they pull that crap.

WTF DeAza gets picked off Alexei gets a hit and they let Rios swing on 3-0 with Dunn up next in a 1-0 game ???? I'd take a walk any day in that situation.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 05:39 PM) That report contradicts all other indications that Adams is untouchable. If we could somehow get Adams and Wong - I'd refrain from masterbatory exercise for a year. AKA - it's highly unlikely. If Adams isnt untouchable he's the guy I want more than anyone ,all other prospects be damned.

Shields throwing tons of off speed pitches. Beckham squared him up twice but same result with 2 on and 2 out , hard hit out to deep CF.