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QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 03:01 PM) So can we all just call Phegley the Fire Hydrant? It's what he is built like. Hot Fire Hydrant ?

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 02:40 PM) We don't have to trade anyone to the RedSox. This is not a situation where we are being forced to dump our better players for scraps But clearly if Hahn does very little and the Crain and doesnt come back to pitch before the deadline people round here will be mightily PO'ed.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 02:40 PM) They could be. They also could get desperate. No way Contreras holds up. Their just trying to strike gold like Texas with Manny v Which is why I'm rooting for a 5 game losing streak by the Red Sox. Go Yankees.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 02:37 PM) Because of Medical concerns. Whatever the reasons still didnt happen. Maybe things open up soon but I'm not counting on it.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 02:35 PM) Then those teams clearly don't want to win honestly. If a player is out there that will make your team better. You go after him as a GM, whether it was a good or bad move. If Sox were in contention, KW would not hesitate to make that deal. Red Sox are in 1st already and picked up Contreras to replace Andrew Bailey . Don't know if that will work out but clearly Red Sox will be play hardball in trades.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 02:34 PM) Did you see the insane package the Cubs were going to get for a rental? Did it happen ? NO.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 02:26 PM) Nice inning Jake. Keep it up and you will soon be pitching for a team with a competent defense. I'm not so sure. Teams seem to be hording their good minor leaguers and Red Sox especially. They need to go on a 5 game losing streak.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 02:18 PM) f***, Rios should've had that ball.

Did Beckham hit that cookie to the wall in right center for an out ? I'm stuck with the Yankees / Red Sox game.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 02:01 PM) Yep, Ventura just called for a bunt down 4. Runner is already in scoring position and the bunt certainly is not to keep them out of the DP , just crazy. Guess Ventura thinks team can peck away one run at a time and isn't capable of a big inning.

QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 02:44 PM) http://tinyurl.com/ltybpk5 Red Sox are clinging to their prospects like a newborn clings to a nipple.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 04:43 AM) If that is what is happening, and I take from the statement the same thing you do, I agree. Besides, trading veterans for prospects was never a KW strength. He was however a good dumpster diver. Danks, Floyd, Quintana, Quentin,Thornton among the pick ups KW got for scraps.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 08:13 PM) What was your favorite memory of the Hanson era? Him and his brothers were trouble makers but really good in a brawl, had funny looking bats , too.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 10:32 AM) Sure you can. Would you rather have Phil Humber or Jake Peavy right now? I know I'm going to take Peavy because he's a better pitcher, regardless of injury. I didn't think I needed to say if you arent pitching you can't be better than Garza ,who is pitching,and pitching very well, which is what was being discussed. Who would you rather trade for to give your team an edge with 70 games remaining an uninjured Garza or an injured Peavy ? Garza who is a groove now or Peavy who may have to build up some arm strength to get back to where he was and take a few games to get there thus shortening the season even more ? I realize Peavy is worth more considering the team getting him will have him for next year too but right now its who's better for the rest of the season.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 08:49 PM) I wonder if Rios not hustling lately has anything to do with him trying to decrease his trade value, aka stay here. Last year Rios was presented with a 'Hustle' award. How ironic (moronic?) I think he just saw it as a typical DP ball , no chance to beat it out . Simmons bobble changed that and he was pulled because of it. I always viewed grounding into a DP as embarassing and busted my ass not to be embarassed especially when beating it out means a run.

Robin should be on the post game show fairly soon.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 10:02 AM) Bruce needs to use his words then. I didn't know we were talking about healthiest pitcher or currently active pitcher or most readily available pitcher. I thought we were talking about the best pitcher. This is like saying that after Nate Schierholtz, Alex Rios is the best RF on the market. If you aren't pitching you can't be the best pitcher.

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There isn't any part of me that can dislike a guy who loves my team as much as I do. His ideal death was calling a Paulie HR off Sabathia . How many games do the Sox have left against the Yanks in the 2nd half ?

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 04:11 PM) Except "eyes" don't always agree. Adam Dunn is the perfect example. Some people will just never admit that a hitter that strike out 25-30% of the time can be good no matter what else he does. Advanced stats allow us to have a more empirical way to say that Dunn is, in fact, a good hitter. I can hold whatever position I'd like if all of our eyes are acceptable as measurement. Since people don't like arguing over eyes, we have numbers. And when we have numbers, the best numbers are better. Batting average says Dunn sucks. OBP sometimes suggests that Dunn sucks. Yet, he does not suck. We didn't need advanced stats to see that Miguel Cabrera and Mike Trout were great, but WAR told us that Trout was more valuable by quite a measure last year. It also tells us that Miggy is more valuable this year, despite being an absolutely atrocious defender. There will always be arguments over stats providing a players individual value because baseball is a team game. A players value can be diminished or enhanced by what those around him do. Trout leads off with a single steals 2nd in a close game late innings. Oppossing team manger decides to IBB next guy to set up the double play .Maybe the next player hits into a double play, or hits a 3 run HR. So that stolen base could be great or could be bad for his team. The stolen base itself was not bad but it did set up a sequence of events that turned out bad.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 11:09 AM) If WAR isn't created equally, it is a deceiving and incorrect stat. I don't think there is any question 5 years from now, unless it is totally tweaked, statheads will be calling anyone who brings up WAR a fossil. If one run created = one run saved, if the stat was accurate, 2 teams 14 games apart in less than 100 games, shouldn't have the same cummulative WAR. It simply doesn't add up. I just think its impossible to add up one particular stat of individuals and expect to try and apply it to wins and losses of a team because if thats what your looking for it will never happen at least not in any one stat. Traditional stats do a better job of that because you can just look at a pitching stats W's in any given year on a particular teams roster and if it adds up to 100 wins you know that team had a good year. Brian Kenney (MLB network resident saber dude)would hate this since he advocates getting rid of wins and losses of pitchers as a stat. Of course you won't know how good those actual pitchers actually are until you examine more advanced pitching stats. I think I'm just as likely to make an accurate guess at a teams final record by looking at traditional team stats (even if you eliminate pitchers W/L stats and saves) as I would be looking at saber stats. Would be an interesting experiment to take traditional offensive defensive pitching and baserunning stats of a team and pit them against saber stats for the same categories and let fans try and predict the teams record by them.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 08:05 PM) It mostly doesn't -- team WAR is just the sum or individual player WAR. So anything that happens that has to do with how the players interact with one another or how different streaks or sequences of events occur will NOT be reflected. These are the factors that make reality reality and so it cannot be predicted entirely by a mathematical formula. Just by following this conversation , I'd venture to guess most of the Sox WAR is on the pitching side whereas Clevelands is evenly distributed, so any value the Sox have in pitching WAR is negated by lack of hitting WAR . So teams can have even WAR's but a team where it is more evenly distributed between offense and pitching probably has a better record. Is this assumption correct and a better way to explain it than trying to explain how Wins Above Replacement does not translate to actual wins and losses to the layman ?

Sale is a winner !

Fielder does a Kevin James into 3rd.

Got my 2003 All-Star Sox cap with the pinwheels and fireworks patch on it on.