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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 07:47 PM) Yes, but either the Sox will send a lot of money to the teams willing to take on Peavy/Rios or they won't. How much money philosophically are the Sox willing to burn, just to have teams take the big money guys in return for prospects. It's not a question any one can answer but I'll try . I think for the right deal they'd pay a max of $10-12 mill if it inolved Dunn and/or multiple expensive players traded together like PV and Rios but I also think you won't see that , maybe half that up to 6 Million possible in the right deal.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 07:42 PM) Have the Sox beat writers written how much money the team is willing to send with these two players? They need to get some sources and tell us what Jerry is willing to spend on these guys' salaries with their new teams. Why would writers know anything about that until a player is traded? It can vary to nothing to everything depending on every possible factor you can imagine.

I love Conors approach , at least against righties.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 07:07 PM) At some point tonite you would hope one of those would fall in. Eight hits and no runs I've already shot my mouth off enough about the lineup construction so I'll defer.

Shields falling behind every hitter ,another 2 hits, a rocket by Conor run down in RCF gap by Cain a walk and a WP and 3 more stranded.

Sox seem like they're right on the verge of crushing the crap Shields is throwing today and they pull that crap.

WTF DeAza gets picked off Alexei gets a hit and they let Rios swing on 3-0 with Dunn up next in a 1-0 game ???? I'd take a walk any day in that situation.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 05:39 PM) That report contradicts all other indications that Adams is untouchable. If we could somehow get Adams and Wong - I'd refrain from masterbatory exercise for a year. AKA - it's highly unlikely. If Adams isnt untouchable he's the guy I want more than anyone ,all other prospects be damned.

Shields throwing tons of off speed pitches. Beckham squared him up twice but same result with 2 on and 2 out , hard hit out to deep CF.

Opening ceremonies for Blackhawks convention on CSN now . CSN tweets pushing it big time.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 11:19 AM) Shields vs Q Bold move posting it so early when PV or Sand Dancer could've been traded later today.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 12:50 PM) Maybe thats why we haven't made the deal. Could be we are holding out for him and Texas is making calls to try and deal him for someone they like more than Rios. It's definitely a long shot, but the Rangers are in "all-in" mode. Tx wants 2 bats we have 2 bats in Rios and Dunn. We eat $10-12 million......

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 12:09 PM) That is interesting but why does Beckham's injury change things? I read it first as Beckham too but I have had a detached retina procedure so by habit I looked again. Berkmans the switch hitting DH has knee and hip problems . I was hoping the Biogenesis suspensions would be handed out by aweek before the trade deadline but no such luck on anyone but Braun because RF Nelson Cruz is a prime candidate and Rangers must take that into consideration also. That's why the Rangers are thinking big right now.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 11:37 AM) Whoa. Danny Knobler ‏@DannyKnoblerCBS 7m Rangers are thinking big in OF search. Tried for Stanton, watched Bautista, Encarnacion. All 3 unlikely, though. http://cbsprt.co/19mSiXl Accordig to MLBtraderumors Rangers ask about Stanton every week and they have the prospects to make that deal but Marlins keep saying no.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 10:58 AM) We don't have the bullets, guys. Even if we scrounged up something the Marlins would take, someone would easily outbid us. But we will after the trade deadline. Party pooper let us dream. I said it in jest of course and Sox looking more for lefty power bat but nothing would surprise me .

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) Brandon Jacobs should be in there somewhere, but isn't. He's 8th. Look again

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 10:33 AM) And he is handsome like those guys It appears now that we have all had our say on who the Sox should be targeting and we are weary. Calm before the storm ?

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 06:57 AM) One question I have: are there teams out there who have top-notch position player prospects they'd be willing to trade but aren't interested in Rios or Peavy? If so, getting younger pitching talent in return for them and flipping that talent over for these position players could be an option. Yep Hahn is going to shock us all , grab a bunch of prospects , hitters and pitchers and in the offseason make a bid for Giancarlo Stanton . You heard it here 1st

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 12:39 AM) You make it sound like a change in batting order is at least doing something. Smacks of desperation to me. Change just for the sake of saying you tried everything. I'm not saying the order is perfect, and I share your frustration, but I don't think Robin's scorecard is holding this team back. We aren't desperate ? Why all these trade rumors and guys about to get shipped out if we aren't desperate. Yes we are desparate, desparately bad. We need to find answers. That's why people have been suggesting trying Beckham at SS. That's why I'm saying give hitters a chance to show what they got in other parts of the batting order. I'm not saying it will lead to any more success than we're seeing now. Shouldn't we be trying everything ? If we're going to lose I want the team at least to have a little fun out there. Show some life. I see Joe Maddon doing all kinds of silly things like the Rays Nerd trip in 2012 starting the whole theme based road trip, having penguins and cockatoos in the clubhouse. He changed the MLB rule of no hoodies in the dugout and hired a DJ to entertain the players in the clubhouse. That is the modern ballplayers players manager. He keeps things fresh . Have I mentioned he set a MLB record for using 151 lineups in a season ? Ok so that depends largely of the versatility of your players and injuries but he's known for changing the lineup anyway and taking full advantage of matchups, platoons, sabremetrics and anything to gain an edge on a daily basis. Yes I'm very frustrated , bored and pissed off and usually make my point and leave it at that but I guess I've emphasized the lineup or thats what's being used as a counter argument and so I'll emphasize again it's really more about not seeing the same s*** on a daily basis. It's about showing something ,anything at all , to make things interesting and entertaining . After all you do have a product to sell and players to keep fresh, focused and happy.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 25, 2013 -> 08:24 PM) Do you honestly think Hahn wouldn't call the clubhouse after the 7th and say "Peavy is done for the day" if it was that big of a deal? Hahn can pull him whenever he wants, but he didn't. It was 118 pitches, not 148. I can't give anyone the benefit of the doubt and assume he would call even if you or I think he should've given the circumstances. I thought Robin would get him out of the game after 5 -6 nnings max didnt happen. Ok after the 7th surely. Nope brought him out again.Pretty much everyone in the game thread was in shock. They all understand what's at stake It has nothing to do with the pitch count, 88 98 108 118 148. PROTECT the asset ,the risk outweighs the reward !

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Jul 25, 2013 -> 07:40 PM) I detest all of the "X should be fired immediately if he does Y" comments. As we al know, baseball is a marathon and not a sprint. That said, I thought the decision to bring Peavy out for the 8th (and it doesn't matter one iota what Peavy himself wanted -- the manager is the boss and has final say) was absolutely horrendous. Epic horrendous. And, unfortunately, I see it as yet one more indication that RV offers nothing remotely special as a manager -- he has no special skills in in-game managing, his players don't seem to run through walls to play for him, and, as decisions like this tell me, he has no overall feel for managing the roster in a game within the overall context of the team's efforts to get better (meaning, be aware of your trading chips if you know they are, in fact, trading chips). I'm not in the Robin must go camp, but I think he's no better than "ordinary" as a manager and I couldn't care less if he were replaced. One more word about that "epically horrendous" decision. It doesn't matter what actually happened in the 8th! You judge baseball decisions at the time they are made as cost/benefit wise good or bad decisions. The results are what factually happened; the decision itself is good/bad before the result happened. And that applies to trades too. For instance, many would contend that KW made a good decision to trade for David Wells, even though the results were not good. After 7 innings, Peavy (a/k/a your prime trading chip) had just pitched an excellent game against a good offense on a tough day to pitch at The Cell. What? 7 full innings, 3 runs on only 3 hits (2 of them HRs), finishing with a strike out, a moderate standing-o, and hugs from his teammates. I turned off the TV because the man was definitely done. He clearly didn't have his best stuff, but Mr. Competitor managed to pitch a terrific game, and left the GM with a very solid line score to boast about. The bullpen was fresh -- with Lindstrom and (possibly) Reed to showcase as well -- what possible reason could there be to bring Peavy out for the 8th? Oh, we'll hear about Jake insisting, or Robin wanting to give his vet that mid-inning send-off, but, sorry folks, from any sort of reasonable cost/benefit analysis there was nothing whatsoever to be gained (and one can't forget we're talking about a "trading chip" (!!!) ) for bringing him in for 1, 2, or 3 more batters, compared to countless negative things that COULD happen. The worst thing that could happen was an injury (for needless additional pitching after you made your point). Didn't happen; praise the Lord. But the next worst thing actually did happen -- another HR, diminishing his overall line, reinforcing (perhaps) his lack of endurance. But I don't really care that much about the result of the decision itself, because the process -- the decision itself BEFORE the result played-out -- just sucked. No upside; all downside; and it trouble me -- GREATLY -- that our manager didn't instantly have the "feel" for that. This question is inherently subjective -- do YOU (in this case, ME) want RV back. I don't. And this lack of "feel" is a big part of why I don't. GO SOX (in this case, GO Mr. Rick Hahn - currently the most important man in the franchise). Cy I have repeatedly said its not the results that matter over and over just like you. I love the Sox . I am more a White Sox apologist than anything if there is a way to characterize my thinking. I was in favor of Robin . I said why not ? Give him a chance but now I have seen enough. Cy you are 100% correct in your assessment of the situation. It's not about Robin or Jake or if he got hurt or if he didn't. It's about risk and reward, and protecting the biggest piece the Sox have had at the deadine in a very very long time, so much so that the next chance to be competitive again in a short period of time may hinge on him. If you're going to put all that at risk to showcase him another inning or get him an ovation then I have serious doubts that you understand baseball. Kudo's to you sir for your support.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 25, 2013 -> 07:48 PM) With how important Peavy's trade value is, why does everybody think this was all Robin's decision? I guarantee Rick Hahn gave him instructions as to how much he should or can pitch. He was still under 120 pitches. Any team looking to trade for him wants to see him pitch deep into games, you can't pull him in the 5th after 90+ and expect teams to be impressed. He's not an 18 year old draft pick, he's a pro being called on to win late season games. Do you honestly think Hahn would say pitch him long because the other teams want to see that ? Peavy's injury was not arm related. It was a rib and he was off 4-6 weeks. No one is expected to pitch that long under those circumstances . If anything Hahn would be saying get him out of there. Protect our asset, protect the future of the franchise not let's showcase him longer because 1 or 2 more innings after being off for so long will prove he's a man to other GM's.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 25, 2013 -> 05:17 PM) In their last 25 games, the Yankees have zero home runs from their RH batters. And some guy named Melky Mesa has been starting in left field. Scratch the Yanks off the list of teams for Dunn . Not that it was likely anyway. But f*** the Cubs for beating us to the punch 2 times now.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 25, 2013 -> 04:18 PM) You're pretty You're getting the more suckage losing 3 of 4 from Detroit at home but the more trades part is running a bit behind to trade 4 or 5 guys .

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2013 -> 02:53 PM) I can't figure out why someone is clinging to the odds of a freak accident at pitch 112 being any greater than the first 111. Not that I ever said that but feel free to misquote me . I said any time after the 5th or 6th from the beginning . It was unnecesary risk plain and simple Maybe 99 out of 100 times nothing happens but sorry injuries happen all the time and risking one when he is the biggest pitching chip on the market is curious at best and totally irresponsible and idiotic at worst.