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QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 07:26 PM) Royals no longer sellers The Royals will not be sellers at the deadline, Yahoo! Sports' Jeff Passan tweets Per MLBTR This is good news obviously. Takes another "frontline" starter off the market in Santana. I don't believe this nonsense about other teams backing off. They are testing Ricky boy. This is his first deadline and all eyes are on him to get a great package back. The FO knows the need to get impact players back that generates excitement for us fans. If we are trading away JP and others they need to make sure it doesn't hurt attendance. We just have to have patients Hahn is winning the staredown for now. Not to mention we need to get back a package as good or better than the Flubs got, it would be an epic failure if we dont for a contorlled pitcher like jake. He knows he has the cards and is playing them right. We have till Wednesday and although it sucks to wait for us. It only creates more leverage for us regardless of what the writers are saying. We don't have to move our guys, the teams interested need the players in order to make a Pennet run and a October run. I have a feeling by Wednesday we will all be praising Hahn for waiting it out. I'm not sure. It's like a pack group think, if they hear others are backing out the more likely they are to back out to or make offers so low that Hahn has no choice but to refuse the offers. I hop e I am sooo wrong, but I thought from the beginning these GM would horde their prosepcts because baseball is cycling that way again. Big free agent contracts and veteran salaries are out of control and this is the backlash.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 02:00 PM) What is tekotte good for if he isn't even fast? He's fast but baserunning not only about fast. Can only figure he didn't get much of a secondary lead or jump which would be terrible with 2 out . Most likely ball was just hit very hard and got to Dyson quickly.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 01:32 PM) One thing that scares me about rebuilding, the Royals. All those highly ranked prospects suck. Gordon is the best thing they got out of all those top 10 guys and he's about as average as can be. Their best highly ranked prospect Wil Myers is smokin the ball all over the park for TB.

That was a bomb. Don't often see them hit there.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 10:38 AM) What does Peavy to Oak have to do with Texas? You think that'll make them want Rios more? Any way that Oakland gets stronger with a desperate team like TX forces TX to get a little more serious with their offers to the Sox on any trade.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 10:24 AM) Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN now #WhiteSox source has Oakland #Athletics in front of Jake Peavy sweepstakes. Peavy brought extra bags on trip in case, per @JJStankevitz. Forcing TX to step up . Brilliant ! Why didn't I predict this rumor ?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 09:50 AM) Rangers also have to think of this too, Cruz can appeal and if he doesn't get suspended until 2014 then they have no RF. With Pence, he's a free agent at the end of the year and there would be no guarantee he would resign if Texas were to acquire him. With Rios, you can add him to the line up this year with Berkman being out for the year, and have your RF in 2014 with Cruz suspended. Rios seems like a logical fit. Cruz is a free agent in 2014.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 10:12 PM) Hah, what a cock tease. One interesting part of that is that it says Peavy may not make his scheduled start Tuesday. He shouldn't under any circumstances unless theyve decided they arent trading him.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 06:51 PM) Shack ... A wrestler? Oh no, man. The great Cecilio ("Cy") Acosta was a Mexican relief pitcher who joined the Sox in June of 1972 as part of that really enjoyable 1972 Sox team, that featured 20 year olds Terry Forster and Rich Gossage in the bullpen. Loved that team and Cy Acosta (good old #41) has long been one of those "blast from the past names" that some of my contemporaries enjoy hearing. His baseball card is my avatar! That's no wrestler, man!!! As for your post, I think you're misunderstanding me. You're suggesting with language like "this sort of usage" or "using a product incorrectly" that I'm implying that Crain was used incorrectly. I think nothing of the sort. So I never get to your rhetorical question of "does that only make the practice of misuse unacceptable when harm does occur." When I say that Crain was perhaps borderline overused, I mean that he was on the cusp of being used more than I might have preferred (given factors relevant to Crain's career). I simply wish circumstances had been different so that we had the option to "baby" him a little. Unfortunately: (a) there really wasn't a way around it since we've got to try and win games during that May time when he was used so much, and (b) it wasn't as if he was used in an unreasonable or excessive way, instead he was used slightly more, just minimally more, than I might have preferred. That's baseball. Gotta play the game with the players on the roster. Cy, the Goose, and that "Fat tub of Goo" weren't available! Personally, I think going back in time and looking at the past from what we know now (Jesse being injured; this Sox team, essentially sucking) is a great disservice to Ventura or Coop, UNLESS they used him wayyyyyyyyy too much, in a way that was way out of the bell-curve. And they didn't. In my opinion, most of his heavy use happened in May, as they battled to get to .500 in very late May. He barely pitched during the 9 game losing streak because he wasn't needed. Then he pitched a few games ... was off to give his arm a week breather ... pitched a few more games ... and then the DL stint. He's a paid, professional pitcher that was part of a bullpen. His manager and pitching coach leaned on him, but in a way that you need to be able to lean on a quality professional. Sure, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, had we known that his arm wouldn't hold up, then we might have babied him. However, had we done that, professional scouts would have also recognized that they couldn't rely on a pitcher like that anyway, so poof, there goes his trade value as well. Damned if you do; damned if you don't. It's unfortunate for Jesse that his injury likely curtailed his career year; it's unfortunate for the White Sox that his injury happened when it all but eliminated any real trade value (although, I still think someone will take a flyer on him on a PTBNL type trade); but no way do I think anyone is "guilty" of mis or overusing him. I was going to tell Shack earlier you meant Cy Acosta . I'm probably one of the few here who remember him and nice reference to Terry Forster and his subsequent appearance on was it Letterman or Carson back then ?

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 07:44 PM) Appears that Baltimore's system is very pitching heavy. I'd think Hahn would be pushing for impact position players, so I'm not sure this is a good match unless Baltimore gives up Gausman or Bundy (which they shouldn't). We may see a pitcher or 2 received in trades. They can always be flipped for other pieces .

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 07:05 PM) Side note: since when was "freeze on a liner" extended to line drives that are clearly going to the outfield? Actually he should ve said if the ball is in the air to the outfield with a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs.I see it as Rios scores no matter what if he had just stayed at 3rd and immediately tagged or if the ball had dropped. The only way you score going half way down the line is if it drops. You can score 2 ways if it drops or caught by staying at 3rd.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 06:57 PM) The problem was that it was unclear if we were going to get any more baserunners and with that situation, it looked like it might be our best chance to score in that game. If man on 1st 2 outs is our best position to score with 2 other innings to go its very sad. 1 out given away Tekotte out stealing , then another with the Alexi double play next inning .Taking out a guy who has looked pretty good lately with the bat when your whole offense is struggling down just 1 run isn't what I would have done .

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 06:48 PM) That play was a little tougher than we're making it seem. If he stays at third and the ball hits the ground (especially with no dive), he can't score. He basically had to decide in mid-air if it was more likely to be caught or not caught. He thought it wouldn't be caught, because of course it shouldn't have been. Ventura said this post game but seriously would've been better to find out if Rios had done the right thing. Lough dove ,caught it ,slid on his stomach ,has to get up ,get in a position to throw and make an accurate throw and even then Rios probably beats it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 06:44 PM) I could think of 20 off the top of my head that were more unlikable and worst contributors. I could probably think of 50 if we limit it to worst contributors . But wow really Rios ? Playing baseball your whole life, you know you can walk home on a hit and you run down the line with a ball in the air ???

I 've been 3rd base coach on softball teams with people who barely knew the rules of baseball and in a similiar situation I say stay on the base. Do not run unless I say go. Inexcusable.

Rios is an idiot.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 01:54 PM) Didn't some thread say that Rios wouldn't approve a trade to the Yankees and they're on his no-trade list? Here you go http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox-talk/r...ed-down-yankees

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 01:36 PM) Cubs listening on offers for Samardzija according to Rosenthal. Great If true someone sure seems to have a firm grasp that they are in the same market as the White Sox . Traded Garza before Peavy, supposedly beat the Sox to the Yanks on Rios now alledgedly throwing Samardzija into the same arena as PV.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) You're getting tired of waiting - we're all getting tired of waiting. More importantly... I hope that Texas, St. Louis, Oakland, Arizona, etc are getting tired of waiting as well. Hopefully it's just driving up the return we get. Boring as nails but hell, it's fine... We can be a little more bored together until Wednesday. I'm so tired I havn't slept a wink. Im so tired my mind is on the blink. Beatles So tired , tired of waiting, The Kinks

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 12:24 PM) What was the purpose of overusing Crain? Sorry I am not the hungry fish you think I am to take the bait on such a loaded question.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 01:01 PM) Wow. Talk about not understanding the game. ANY pitch can be a pitcher's last pitch. Sure, IF a pitcher is actually overworked (and I personally believe that Crain was borderline overworked earlier in this year), such overwork MIGHT increase the likelihood of significant injury, but all pitchers run the risk of serious injury each time they rock and fire the pill. One of the major orthopods -- perhaps Jobs or Andrews -- was asked about pitcher X being "unlucky" because they suffered a career derailing arm injury while guys like Nolan Ryan and Greg Maddux just rolled along year after year after year. The Good Doctor stopped the questioner cold and said something like: "Guys like Ryan and Maddux are freaks ... NOBODY'S arm should be able to withstand the repetitive abuse of the inherently unnatural pitching motion ... it's a matter of time, a matter of luck, but arms are simply designed to fail." I think all Sox fans are upset about the incredibly poor timing of Crain being injured yet again (and it is "yet again" because he's had minor arm injury issues throughout his career). It sucks. Such poor timing. Like with Gavin Floyd earlier in the year, a relatively healthy Crain would have been a really nice trading chip for a rebuilding team. But it's another thing altogether to play the blame game for losing that trading chip. Crain was here to pitch for the White Sox. Period. He wouldn't have been considered a potentially valuable trading chip if he hadn't pitched for the White Sox (and pitched successfully). Blaming Ventura, or Cooper, or Hahn, or anyone for NOT having the ability to see into the future is ridiculous, UNLESS the alleged "overworking" was so patently extreme that no reasonable baseball people would have done anything remotely similar. And no way are Ventura, Cooper, or Hahn guilty of "overworking" Crain by that standard. Cry all you want about a lost opportunity, Marty, but blaming anyone is absolutely wrong. PS - To those who tell me I shouldn't bother "feeding a troll" ... I don't care. This post is less about arguing with Marty, than it is throwing out some thoughts about pitching and injuries. Such a good poster , so few posts. But glad to see more of you lately. Your baseball acumen is only exceeded by your ability to state your case .

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 12:45 PM) Boston has to be the front runner. Their pitching situation should have them desperate and from what I have read Jake is their favorite on the market as he should be. I don't see the Cards and Mozeliak giving in to our demands. I think I prefer Adams to Cecchini at this point but I would be happy with either as long as we get a little something extra with them. That worries me a bit too. Boston may perceive themselves to be the only serious contender for Peavy . Their prospects and team in general gets incredible coverage from the east coast based media ( Gammons,ESPN) and their rabid fan base. They've also had incredible luck getting great performances when bringing up guys like Middlebrooks and Iglesias whose minor league numbers were never that impressive. Keeping Jake won't be the worst thing that could happen but it would be a shame if the Sox can't cash in on the position they are in with him.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 12:18 PM) Seriously. Even so, I would deal with a below average defense to have cost controlled young LH bat in the middle of our order anyways but that poster should be corrected so there is no false belief that Adams can't pick it at 1B. That's what the Sox have been looking for all along . I would guess if a deal with St. Louis goes through it will only be if Adams is part of the package. His minor league numbers are impressive and so has been his play in the majors thus far. I keep reading that its a sellers market and I said early on it's a buyers market just based on my perception that teams wouldn't be willing to trade their top prospects ,so I'm definitely in the minority on that. So far not a lot done ,sellers asking for a lot. Guess we'll see who has the upper hand soon enough.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 11:40 AM) He's also been a 60 inning pitcher in part because he gets hurt pretty regularly every year. For him, missing a month is kinda normal. Yep maybe someone should look into his age and injury history before they make claims of overuse this year. Same guy who wanted Jones sent down which would've put Crain to use even more .If you baby the guy because he's a free agent then maybe he never racks up the gaudy numbers he put up this year and you end up hearing why isn't Crain in there ? Damned if you do damned if you don't . Damned even further by sending down Jones. Trollish behavior at best idiotic at worst.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 11:56 AM) Russell hasn't been playing for a week or so. Not directed at SoxPride, but another poster had said Adams is a butcher at 1B and I've read the contrary. Namely, Mike (the STL fan) has posted and says he moves quite well over there despite his big body. Can someone comment on what we would be looking at as far as return with SF? I like Crick's potential but I feel like he may be untouchable for SF. Anyone else know of their system? The only other guys I can think of off the top of my head are Gary Brown and Stratton. Brown is meh and I know little to nothing about Stratton other than him being a 1st rounder in '12. If you go to the Cards website you will find an article about how he (Adams) lost weight in the offseason specifically to improve his fielding and it paid off. Beside we're talking about replacing Konerko and Dunn at 1st so please let's get real. That same poster thinks the Sox could get Adams and more for Lexi and Lindstrom