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QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:37 PM) What the f*** does that mean? no believe in that ( I don't belive that twitter from MLBBrasil) because i dont know about ( because I haven't heard anything from anyone with the Sox organization about it ) hahaha (laughter)

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 02:28 PM) Yeah well you know what they say about assumptions right? That only works with ass/u/me . There's no E in assumptions

I don't see anyone predicting any of our prospects move so I'll say one of Semien, Rienzo or Snodgress gets moved since they all have given us hope the system isn't as barren as once thought. Also it's the one thing that'll piss off the most people and make reading fun.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 08:18 AM) http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=21375 Always fun to see the same thing you posted 5 pages earlier (pg 106)

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 07:44 AM) Then you are doubling the risk. Not only is it possible that Bundy may have been a bust without surgery, then you have to be certain that he comes back 100% from the surgery which is not a guarantee either. Just don't see it as the smartest move given Peavy's value right now. Thank you. If PV is traded we are getting healthy bodies .

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 07:35 AM) Starting him would also show the Sox would be content keeping him. If teams want to play games, play games right back. His value is decreased for the acquiring team this year by one start but the total package shouldn't change. I think while it won't be the original asking price because you should aim high, Hahn will ultimately get what he originally was willing to trade him for or more by tomorrow afternoon. If not, start him. Why settle? You show you're content with keeping him after 7/31 . There's no way you start him tomorrow. The only thing starting him tomorrow would show is the Sox are idiots.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....#commentMessage Funny Peavy trade proposals. Fake conversations between Hahn and other GM's.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 08:52 PM) Why is anyone surprised JR does not want to pay any money in deals? The ONLY reason Sox are getting better players through the draft is the slotted system or it would be the old draft the guy who will sign the cheapest. I'm only surprised you beleive what you read. If you are predisposed to think of JR as cheap than reading the Sox won't give up money fits right into you're thinking and you then only judge JR and overlook what you're reading may be untirely untrue. You lose objectivity.

QUOTE (Tannerfan @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 07:56 PM) Any manager that watches his team lose game after game after game and makes no adjustments to the batting order is not a very good manager. I understand what you're saying and you're going to get the "all the players suck makes no difference how you change it the team will still suck " response. Your point is when you lose change is necessary and there is no better time to try players in different spots in the lineup to see how they do out of their comfort zones. I've found surprising resistance when I say the same thing. Read the other manager change thread and you'll see that. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89284

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 07:26 PM) Royals no longer sellers The Royals will not be sellers at the deadline, Yahoo! Sports' Jeff Passan tweets Per MLBTR This is good news obviously. Takes another "frontline" starter off the market in Santana. I don't believe this nonsense about other teams backing off. They are testing Ricky boy. This is his first deadline and all eyes are on him to get a great package back. The FO knows the need to get impact players back that generates excitement for us fans. If we are trading away JP and others they need to make sure it doesn't hurt attendance. We just have to have patients Hahn is winning the staredown for now. Not to mention we need to get back a package as good or better than the Flubs got, it would be an epic failure if we dont for a contorlled pitcher like jake. He knows he has the cards and is playing them right. We have till Wednesday and although it sucks to wait for us. It only creates more leverage for us regardless of what the writers are saying. We don't have to move our guys, the teams interested need the players in order to make a Pennet run and a October run. I have a feeling by Wednesday we will all be praising Hahn for waiting it out. I'm not sure. It's like a pack group think, if they hear others are backing out the more likely they are to back out to or make offers so low that Hahn has no choice but to refuse the offers. I hop e I am sooo wrong, but I thought from the beginning these GM would horde their prosepcts because baseball is cycling that way again. Big free agent contracts and veteran salaries are out of control and this is the backlash.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 02:00 PM) What is tekotte good for if he isn't even fast? He's fast but baserunning not only about fast. Can only figure he didn't get much of a secondary lead or jump which would be terrible with 2 out . Most likely ball was just hit very hard and got to Dyson quickly.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 01:32 PM) One thing that scares me about rebuilding, the Royals. All those highly ranked prospects suck. Gordon is the best thing they got out of all those top 10 guys and he's about as average as can be. Their best highly ranked prospect Wil Myers is smokin the ball all over the park for TB.

That was a bomb. Don't often see them hit there.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 10:38 AM) What does Peavy to Oak have to do with Texas? You think that'll make them want Rios more? Any way that Oakland gets stronger with a desperate team like TX forces TX to get a little more serious with their offers to the Sox on any trade.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 10:24 AM) Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN now #WhiteSox source has Oakland #Athletics in front of Jake Peavy sweepstakes. Peavy brought extra bags on trip in case, per @JJStankevitz. Forcing TX to step up . Brilliant ! Why didn't I predict this rumor ?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 09:50 AM) Rangers also have to think of this too, Cruz can appeal and if he doesn't get suspended until 2014 then they have no RF. With Pence, he's a free agent at the end of the year and there would be no guarantee he would resign if Texas were to acquire him. With Rios, you can add him to the line up this year with Berkman being out for the year, and have your RF in 2014 with Cruz suspended. Rios seems like a logical fit. Cruz is a free agent in 2014.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 10:12 PM) Hah, what a cock tease. One interesting part of that is that it says Peavy may not make his scheduled start Tuesday. He shouldn't under any circumstances unless theyve decided they arent trading him.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 06:51 PM) Shack ... A wrestler? Oh no, man. The great Cecilio ("Cy") Acosta was a Mexican relief pitcher who joined the Sox in June of 1972 as part of that really enjoyable 1972 Sox team, that featured 20 year olds Terry Forster and Rich Gossage in the bullpen. Loved that team and Cy Acosta (good old #41) has long been one of those "blast from the past names" that some of my contemporaries enjoy hearing. His baseball card is my avatar! That's no wrestler, man!!! As for your post, I think you're misunderstanding me. You're suggesting with language like "this sort of usage" or "using a product incorrectly" that I'm implying that Crain was used incorrectly. I think nothing of the sort. So I never get to your rhetorical question of "does that only make the practice of misuse unacceptable when harm does occur." When I say that Crain was perhaps borderline overused, I mean that he was on the cusp of being used more than I might have preferred (given factors relevant to Crain's career). I simply wish circumstances had been different so that we had the option to "baby" him a little. Unfortunately: (a) there really wasn't a way around it since we've got to try and win games during that May time when he was used so much, and (b) it wasn't as if he was used in an unreasonable or excessive way, instead he was used slightly more, just minimally more, than I might have preferred. That's baseball. Gotta play the game with the players on the roster. Cy, the Goose, and that "Fat tub of Goo" weren't available! Personally, I think going back in time and looking at the past from what we know now (Jesse being injured; this Sox team, essentially sucking) is a great disservice to Ventura or Coop, UNLESS they used him wayyyyyyyyy too much, in a way that was way out of the bell-curve. And they didn't. In my opinion, most of his heavy use happened in May, as they battled to get to .500 in very late May. He barely pitched during the 9 game losing streak because he wasn't needed. Then he pitched a few games ... was off to give his arm a week breather ... pitched a few more games ... and then the DL stint. He's a paid, professional pitcher that was part of a bullpen. His manager and pitching coach leaned on him, but in a way that you need to be able to lean on a quality professional. Sure, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, had we known that his arm wouldn't hold up, then we might have babied him. However, had we done that, professional scouts would have also recognized that they couldn't rely on a pitcher like that anyway, so poof, there goes his trade value as well. Damned if you do; damned if you don't. It's unfortunate for Jesse that his injury likely curtailed his career year; it's unfortunate for the White Sox that his injury happened when it all but eliminated any real trade value (although, I still think someone will take a flyer on him on a PTBNL type trade); but no way do I think anyone is "guilty" of mis or overusing him. I was going to tell Shack earlier you meant Cy Acosta . I'm probably one of the few here who remember him and nice reference to Terry Forster and his subsequent appearance on was it Letterman or Carson back then ?

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 07:44 PM) Appears that Baltimore's system is very pitching heavy. I'd think Hahn would be pushing for impact position players, so I'm not sure this is a good match unless Baltimore gives up Gausman or Bundy (which they shouldn't). We may see a pitcher or 2 received in trades. They can always be flipped for other pieces .

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 07:05 PM) Side note: since when was "freeze on a liner" extended to line drives that are clearly going to the outfield? Actually he should ve said if the ball is in the air to the outfield with a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs.I see it as Rios scores no matter what if he had just stayed at 3rd and immediately tagged or if the ball had dropped. The only way you score going half way down the line is if it drops. You can score 2 ways if it drops or caught by staying at 3rd.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 06:57 PM) The problem was that it was unclear if we were going to get any more baserunners and with that situation, it looked like it might be our best chance to score in that game. If man on 1st 2 outs is our best position to score with 2 other innings to go its very sad. 1 out given away Tekotte out stealing , then another with the Alexi double play next inning .Taking out a guy who has looked pretty good lately with the bat when your whole offense is struggling down just 1 run isn't what I would have done .

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 06:48 PM) That play was a little tougher than we're making it seem. If he stays at third and the ball hits the ground (especially with no dive), he can't score. He basically had to decide in mid-air if it was more likely to be caught or not caught. He thought it wouldn't be caught, because of course it shouldn't have been. Ventura said this post game but seriously would've been better to find out if Rios had done the right thing. Lough dove ,caught it ,slid on his stomach ,has to get up ,get in a position to throw and make an accurate throw and even then Rios probably beats it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2013 -> 06:44 PM) I could think of 20 off the top of my head that were more unlikable and worst contributors. I could probably think of 50 if we limit it to worst contributors . But wow really Rios ? Playing baseball your whole life, you know you can walk home on a hit and you run down the line with a ball in the air ???

I 've been 3rd base coach on softball teams with people who barely knew the rules of baseball and in a similiar situation I say stay on the base. Do not run unless I say go. Inexcusable.

Rios is an idiot.