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McKinven is supposed to be a framing whisperer according to some sources with both Narvaez and William Contreras improving while with the Brewers. Eric Kratz of Foul Territory was one source who said that.

If they attach Benintendi in a Crochet trade I'll care that they paid Vaughn because attaching Benitendi and getting less prospects in return would be the most Reinsdorfiest of cheap skate moves ever . While I think Vaughn shouldve been nontendered its more the 26 yr old devil you know than a 36 yr old devil you dont know. Not exactly any moves to look forward to except Crochet.

I seem to remember reading something about Colas playing hurt last year. His back I think.

Lol so because I don't see the word fired anywhere and you draw conclusions based on your personal life and apply it to baseball that make you right. I'm just questioning if he was fired.You engaged me and Asked if I believe everything I read. You expect me to believe you instead ? You didn't offer any special insight I hadnt already read . If people can't handle having their opinions questioned without saying don't lecture me f*** you because I use knowledge to my advantage and actually discuss instead of mock or bully people. No wonder so many aren't posting anymore. Whether he was fired or his contract ran out and wasn't renewed makes no difference. All these hires are basically met with jokes and skepticism when to most objective observers in the media these are good hires Getz is making .It seems like he really trying to get more analytical info to players and hiring people who are good at making it easier for players to use. On the CHGO podcast interview with Eric Kratz of The Foul Territory podcast he really liked the new hire from the Brewers and used examples of how that guy improved defense among some catchers not known for their defense. I don't know what's so bad about being positive about the recent hires rather than quibbling with me over semantics of fired or didn't renew his contract, or whatever. Guys like Vinnie Duber from CHGO and various Sox podcasts like Sox in the Basement and Future Sox praise the hiring of Fuller and the bench coach Walker McKinven. Here on Soxtalk we get more run prevention and Greg Walker jokes than anyone taking a stab at being positive about their qualifications or what it is about them that fits in with what Getz is trying to accomplish and that's just sad. I praised one of our posters about making a good positive observation @Boopa1219 , I think and I got 2 laugh emojis. I wasn't being sarcastic. I really liked the post and don't understand why I got laugh emojis. Maybe McKinven will help Edgar Quero and Lee become better defensively and with framing. Crochet credits Katz and Bannister with his development and yet our posters can't ? It's just meaner and tantrumy than ever around here now.

I'm not saying he couldn't have been fired I'm just saying it's speculaton. What you're quoting is speculation.The guy says so himself. "This might get a little tinfoil hatty", so your conclusion is most Orioles fan believe he was fired ? Is that you saying that Caulfield ? If so how did you reach that conclusion ? Based on admitted "tin foil hatty " speculation ?

I. I believe if it doesn't say fired then maybe Fuller wasnt fired. I don't fill in the blank with what I think happened. It just as likely that he was hired away by the Sox. I believe there was anther Oriole source that said that could be the case. I also checked several Orioles vlogs . If you want to believe Fuller was fired go right ahead. Everything written or voiced seems to not know for sure so I'll believe that. When you start making things up is when you misinform people . Well I just assume he was fired because I don't believe everyone reporting on it . You put let go in quotes .Again did it say " let go " in the article you sent linked or are you now misquoting along with reading between the lines. Why do you dismiss the possibility that he left to go to the Sox ? What was the time period between Fuller not returning and the Sox hiring him ?

This is where we have differences. There's nothing in the article that says dumped or fired. I believe it says " will not be returning" which was my reason for questioning if he was fired, which you did not clear up.

Sox are a little short on CF depth. These are the types of signings we are going to get. Even Sox rejects are getting signed by others teams like Deivi Garcia and Raphael Ortega.

More or less true. Not even sure he was fired. Sox may have just hired him away from the O's. Before that he had been climbing the coaching ladder fairly fast with them.

We'll know by 6PM CT Friday Nov. 22. I'm hoping both are gone. Vaughn isn't worth the $6M price tag just to get a shot under Fuller's eyes. He still can't defend or run well enough , he's not a LH 1st baseman and he isn't tall.

Good positive observation .

People get antsy when top prospects development declines no matter how you choose to rationalize it. It might be top notch rationalization too but despite the warnings that development isn't linear, panic sets in when when a downward line appears.

It's a 6 game sample size.I wonder if the Sox even have scout there watching games. If they do, I'm sure there are younger players to scout. I hope the Fuller hire doesn't mean it's another coach taking a crack at Vaughn and Sheets. Send them packing and use the $8M somewhere else. Abreu " signing imminent " sounds like BS based on sample sIze.

I think just being a high profile trade piece with the word "haul" being thrown around puts it on the back burner . Teams just aren't giving up the kind of prospects the Sox are seeking. I'd expect a long wait.

I try to be positive. I know I'm negative when it comes to JR .Most of the time I try to stay positive .I don't break any stories but I do try to post interesting videos of links for people to watch to make them more informed. There's a lot of sports content on social media .I especially like vlogs and have been very tuned into the Crochet story and feel I know his growth pretty well. His path to his incredible 2024 has been very unpredictable and fraught with twists and turns . The old saying that development isn't always linear applies in spades to him. I try to stick with sound logic and reasoning based on everything I've read and watched to form my opinions. It seems obvious to me many many hands are involved in developing a player and timing also plays a critical role. There are many decisions and changes along with suggested changes, trial and error. Player development is like a science project. Rarely will I think that there is only one reason for success or think that my reason makes it hard to give others involved their due, especially when I can bare witness to other people developing a player due to it being documented for all to watch or read about, not from people seeking credit, but from the player himself handing out a accolades to his coaches and talking about specifics. He also based career altering decisions on how much he liked the things his coaches did. It's mind numbing to me that any fan can say I find it hard to give anyone else any developmental credit given all the information out there to the contrary. The last time Crochet had a full season as a starting pitcher was 2017 when he was a Senior in H.S. Yet somehow all he had to do was tell the Sox in 2024 I want to be a Starting Pitcher again and, voila ,7 years of no success magically disappears without any help.

I agree Abreu is a spare part for the Red Sox . He's a better spare part then Vargas but still a spare part. You need to suffer a little when getting high quality. The process can't be relatively painless for your organization.

Also this season was his 1st complete season as a starting pitcher since his senior year of High School.

Wahhhhhh boo hoo . Maybe you should stop being an ignoramus if informed opinions bother you so much. And everyone here thinks they're right. You think you're right and cry and insult when you're contradicted because you were owned and can offer no logical defense of your myopic opinions . Continue grunting like a caveman.

Thank you for your uninformed and useless assessment based on your ignorance.

I understand the desire to discredit all things White Sox but even if you say the decision to become a starter is all on Crochet is true, there was so much more that went into his great season it belittles everything and everyone involved to say it's very hard to credit as a development win. Crochet's success this year was very much a development win unless you know nothing about it. There is plenty out there about much that went into it. And there was also incorporated things to help him beyond 2024 for this off season and his future to become more efficient. Crochet thinks like most great players, that he can always get better or learn new things when their physical gifts start to wane. Crochet is on record multiple times crediting the plan the Sox put him on to maintain his health and get him more innings than many thought possible. He liked it so much he refused to deviate from it unless he got an extention. If you think developing a player's health plan and changing grips on pitches and changing pitch repertoire and sequencing or making future plans to cut down on HRs and get more doubleplays is not development then you're just not paying attention or there's no reasoning with you. Your opinion is myopically biased. Sometimes it takes years and sometimes it just has to be done at a time more conducive to the player's physical and mental maturation. In Crochet's case it was the right people at the right time in his life . The same people 2 or 3 years ago likely do not produce the same results.

It's a win for plenty of people in the Sox organization. Let's not forget Sale was the 13th pick in the 1st round in 2020 and Crochet was 11th in 2020. Both were passed up by plenty of teams for various good reasons. The same reasons many pitchers with great arms get passed up and never make it. Let's not pretend they were so obviously great that the Sox lucked into them or didn't work with them to make them better. If it was so easy they both would have been drafted much higher. The only 2 players from the 2010 draft who are equally great are Harper, who was perhaps the most hyped player ever drafted and Manny Machado. That leaves 10 teams who passed on Sale. Crochet barely pitched at all in College because of health, performance and COVID . 10 teams passed on him too who probably regret it now , although some in his class still have a chance to become better .

The Orioles are in no position to laugh at anyone. They lost in the 1st round of the playoffs 2 years in a row and lost their best starting pitcher. The clock is ticking on their window. We have no idea yet how much money Baltimore's new ownership is willing to spend. If Crochet is willing to sign a reasonable extension with a contende because he believes deep runs into the postseason are potentially harmful to his career, that makes him much more valuable . The potential for the proverbial haul is higher if teams believe this. People were pissed about an extension which threw a monkey wrench into the TDL chances of a Crochet deal but it honestly couldn't have turned out any better. The plan that he and the Sox put together worked like a charm and he pitched way beyond the innings anyone thought he could , stayed healthy and was in near or 90%+ in many Statcast pitching categories. He's worth considerably more now than he was then. I never believed the haul talk for Cease because there was doubt . He looked like a typical Sox prospect starting to regress . Crochet is quite valuable for 2 years and beyond if there's some way for the the Sox to get a higher trade package letting the trading team work on getting Crochet to sign an extension. I need help in knowing if that's allowed.

Id feel a lot better if I heard Getz talking about these things when discussing trading Crochet with the media. At least let the other teams know that you know what you have and have entered the 21st Century basic analytics data points.

When you're 89 you're either sick or finding life fairly difficult physically or mentally . He could be sick now or just preparing for the inevitable . I just think when he's dead is when the team gets sold. The botttom line is what's important and the bottom line is his kids don't get stuck paying higher taxes .

He is involved in the sale. He's preparing for it now. Hedoent have to physically be here for them to be sold . He can't be here once he's dead and dying is the way to maxmize or minimize I guess the inheritance taxes. It's pretty common knowledge at least according to Liptak that's been his plan so the kids don't take a big tax hit.