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Yes it may but at least it would give us an indication that they do intend to do a little more than last year to get things right.

A Liam trade to the Yankees involving Gleybar didnt get a lot of play in this thread so far. O dowd made the intial suggestion and it included Crochet. Yankees do need a closer and have a nice amount of depth in the middle infield. They would also be selling the highly inconsistent Torres on a high note. The Yankess obviously have pieces they rather move 1st and a hole in LF. I doubt they still want Donaldson or Aaron Hicks, But they've also had recent good news involving LeMahieu's toe so that would solve some issues at 3rd base. Maybe the Yankees move Gleybar in a deal for someone like Reynolds. Or they move some of the prospects like Volpe, Peraza or Cabrera. SS is also a trouble spot for the Yankees so when you look at 2nd and SS for them it's tough to predict what they do. I think it's an interesting trade idea,Hendriks for Torres . Not sure of any other pieces but they both have 2 years left and Sox might save some money if it's straight up . I could handle Torres being RH since his D has improved and he hits for power . At least we then know all of our starting position players. Any trades from that point to fill BP and 4th OF could be minor trades or combo of trade with FA signing.

I basically don't believe anything about what's going to happen with the team no matter who writes it. No one thought the Sox would sign Benintendi but it happened. Now Hendriks name pops up and most of the speculation is that it's for cost cutting. It could be that or something else. It could be trading for prospects which could then lead to more trades to fill holes or it could be to fill holes immediately. There are holes to fill and after the off season finishes and the season starts I'm sure we will still have a hole or 2 depending on our own thoughts about which holes need filling more than others. I can't see them not wanting to add more power either in the form of a 4th OF or 2nd baseman or both. It's wise not to count on a bunch of rebound candidates for power when they didn't have a guy last year who hit 20 HR's and among the rebounds candidates are guys who are oft injured or whose chances of rebounding look slimmer every year.The payroll final numbers will determine many things. Right now that's a mystery.

I'm not understanding the recent lament over paying a premium for the amount of years involved. Isn't that the way trades usually work ? Maybe give me an example of a "straight talent" trade. If you get a guy who was worth 4.5 War last year and is Super 2 status and coming off a career year, the cost is going to be high. Maybe it wasn't even high enough. AZ. paid for Moreno's upside/control and the 2 years of Gurriel. I have no idea who got the better deal. Time will tell. If I was going to lament anything it's that Varsho would've been cheaper last year if he was available but Hahn and Co. couldn't figure out a LH good fielding OF/backup catcher with power was needed and that AZ. had plenty of good OFers in their system.

Mancini can't play CF and is basically a DH.

So what about minor invasive surgery like the kind done now for herniated discs. Not sure of the difference between a bulging disc and a herniated disc and not asking for a a full report but are these micro surgeries the kind you are talking about that people regret later ? Are you recommending epidurals in the case of herniated discs over mico-surgery ? I understand each person is different and backs are so complicated and nerve damage can severely mess with your legs . I never understood how rest or rehab helps a herniated disc. That can't un-herniate it but many have jobs and job functions that led to the problem in the 1st place and they just end up repeating that abusive cycle .

How do you know they need to cut costs ? Silly question I know but everything they've done up to this point was to fix the problems they created in 2021 and 2022. I'm not saying I believe there's a lot more room for added payroll. but there's still a lot of off season left so why be aggressive filling holes with Clevinger and Benintendi only to tear it down a week or 2 later ? They could field offers for Hendriks and keep all that info for the trade deadline if those teams still are interested and the Sox are out of it.

Right just a depth piece. Pretty sure it doesn't mean a relief pitcher is outgoing soon. Now if the Sox had spent a couple of mill on a relief pitcher then that might convince me or if they had signed Duvall just to show me any Hendriks move won't be merely the best cost cutting move you can. Make a bold statement. If you want Hendriks then bring your A game. We aren't cost cutting. ( thats the Sox stance in trade negotiating not me making a statement). Drag it out with Hendriks. No hurry. we don't need the money .

HA ! Santos isn't exactly who I had in mind. Money must be spent. But it is a step in the right direction.

Or if 3 teams are bidding on him and all making what Hahn considers to be inadequate offers what makes you confident that if JR is really looking to cut payroll that he just won't tell Hahn , "Which offer is the best as far as talent and cost savings go ?'' ANd Hahn says this one and JR says "fine take that one". The 1st round of talks should be Hahn and JR saying no to everyone. It shouldn't be done quickly and if @Chicago White Sox thinks he's going to be traded soon it doesn't match up.

Much like poker you play the GM and owner as much as you play your hand. It's a balancing act and the fact the Hahn has sucked at his job for a long time doesn't particularly sway me that other teams aren't playing him.

We will see. You think he'll be moved soon , I don't. Now if you get McNeil and Alvarez that's another story ! lol

I thought I explained that part. It is not always simple supply and demand making trades is like playing poker. If you think you opponent has a weak hand for whatever his tells are then you have a different strategy. Jerry's tell is that he is cheap. If the other GM's know Jerry has a weak hand because he wants to cut salary the offers may not be as good because all the Sox want to do is cut salary. If JR says sorry he's unavailable right now and picks up some guys before trading Hendriks it makes his hand look stronger.

I think the Sox are still a little light in the HR department if we don't get power from Grandal or Moncada. So even though I think 2nd base should be the last thing on the shopping list I'd understand getting Escobar but not in a Hendriks trade. I'd prefer the Sox make other moves 1st to fill 4th OF and pick up a relief pitcher or 2 before a Kelly or Hendricks move.

Good question but right now as fans we are in limbo. We all suspect cost cutting is coming but why spend so much on Benintendi then ? Also in the Sox favor is that they've rectified past mistakes and are making an attempt to improve OF defense, put Eloy and Vaughn where they belong. Also they got Clevinger. They have spent but the limbo I speak of is not knowing what's next. Will it be cost cutting or will more past mistakes be rectified. Maybe Escobar is a past mistake and they know they still need more HR and more LH. Plus we heard thge reason the didnt keep Rodon was medicals too. We never know if what we hear is the actual truth. For a guy whose meds were supposed to be bad he is playing an awful lot of baseball including killing it in the Venezuelan Winter League now.

I don't know if the Sox can actually fill all their holes. It may be just me but I think 2nd base is the last thing on their list. Still need a 4th OF badly and if relief pitching is moved then we need more relief pitching. And lets face it despite the concentration on improving the roster in 2023 we do need some upper level pitching prospects badly. That should not be ignored nor put off till next year. To me trading Hendriks 1st is putting the cart before the horse. Too many teams will low ball the Sox unless they are convinced JR is going for it in 2023 and only willing to trade Hendriks for prospects if he fills the other needs 1st. Convince the other teams you are going for it in 2023 but still have an eye on future needs.

Sox have to convince teams that trading Hendriks isn't a cost cutting move. In order to do that and preserve that leverage the Sox would have to make another move 1st. So the Sox must make a move. Either sign someone like Duvall or go after some FA relief pitcher. That way it may open up better offers for Hendriks that still may end up saving money or getting a better prospect if someone like Duvall or a relief pitcher is already in the fold. Not a good idea to trade Hendriks unless you get the other pieces 1st. Then a Kelly for Escobar trade is more likely and you wouldn't have to move Hendriks. If Hendriks is moved soon then that will signal to me that it'll be a cost cutting move where they get prospects. If they get some need pieces 1st you can pay for them with Hendriks savings afterwards and still have prospects.

Eduaro's still is higher and I doubt the Sox want to take on any money especially from the Mets. Mets need to throw in $2-3M. They can afford it.

I thought that also. But I think even with guaranteed money he can still play in the minors. He's got options left I think. But it is feasible they still want to shed his salary, maybe not to the extent they paid for McCaans salary with the O's or at all if they still want Hendrik and are willing to give up Baty too. But if they part with Escobar I imagine they'd want to keep Baty. Maybe Mauricio and Dominic Hamel. But I thought any chance of a trade with the Mets went out the window after they resigned Ottavino but the discussions continued. If they wanted Kelly straight up for Escobar I'd do that if the Mets threw in a little money.

It never had any legs to me. Never thought they were a match unless Hahn was simply going to get better prospects and maybe Escobar but i didnt want Escobar or McCann especially McCaan. AT least Escobar can hit 20 bombs while he played a mediocre 2nd base.

You do know Escbar played only 2 innings at 2b in 2022.

Their Minor League pitcher of the Year was a 3rd round draft pick in his 1st full season Dominic Hamel. Sox do need pitching but he isn't close yet. Pitched better in A+ than he did in A but probably a year or 2 away. He's 23. If we're dead set on helping the Sox in 2023 , not sure how that works. Pick your poison from Escobar and McCaan and get 2 prospects ?

I really like baseball talk and how using different analytic means to enhance the strength of your argument.

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Eww that's just disgustingly bad. Hahn trade for old veterans on the decline if I ever saw one and we take on money along with it.