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They will have a parade of office personnel around the ballpark so Hahn can say I promised you a parade , here it is !

ARe you throwing their stats in a blender ? I'm confused. ABreu won MVP in 2020, Keuchels good year was 2020. Grandals was 2021 since not enough time in 202 for 4-5 WAR Rodon was 2021 . Cease has stepped up to replace the 2021 Rodon year. Kopech or Clevinger or both can replace anything Cease did before he became really good. Lynn can be better than he was in 2022. Giolito can replicate however good he was . Moncada can be a 4 WAR Moncada that he was in 2021. Eloy has never had a 3 WAR year . You don't think that's possible at DH ? Luis Robert had a 3.3 WAR in 68 games in 2021. You don't think he can have 5 or 6 playing a full season ?

That was my point. Seems pretty impossible to think career or even just very good years out of 10 or 11 key guys on the Sox would result in a below .500 team.

But you also said his 1st base defense was "poor to bad" based on misusing defensive metrics because of the sample size. I'm not saying he's good or bad . I'm saying we just don't have enough data yet to know . But he's our 1st baseman so we'll find out.

SO how did they manage to have good years in 2020 and 2021 . Who are key contributors to those teams that we don't have now. Use the same metric their zips projections.

This is correct . 290 innings @1st base is the equivalent of 32 9 inning games and his sample is spread out over 2 years. This is misuse of defensive metrics . The worst thing to do when judging defense is use small samples spread out over time. You need a large sample size of continuous play to make an accurate statement and even 1 year may not be enough. It's the same mistake others here made when judging his OF defense after his 1st year and saying it was adequate. It may have been adequate in that sample but a larger sample would tell the true story and we found that out last year. He never had the speed or instincts to play OF permanently which is what I always told those people.

We're worse off than last year IF you think Robert, Eloy, Lynn,Moncada, Grandal ,Giolito, Kopech, Anderson, Vaughn, Bummer, Kelly all are injured as much or as bad as they were last year. Having Abreu when everyone else is terrible or hurt under a bad manager led to a .500 team. A new manager, health and guys playing up to their capabilities is what will help the team. Yes it sucks when you lose your best player and a model citizen but he wasn't supposed to be our best player in 2022. It was supposed to be Eloy, Robert or Moncada or all 3 of them. They drafted Vaughn to eventually replace Abreu or because he was the best player available and losing Abreu is just a consequence of that.

I honestly think Hahn got a pitcher because they needed one and that's all he's allowed to do because JR said no to much else . So I'm not upset because of HAHN's lack of participation in FA, I'm upset that he's not allowed to by JR. That would be my rationale if I had participated in that poll to be in the minority of voters. Hahn's just a puppet being controlled by the puppeteer . I can't be upset with an inanimate object.

Would heavens make it right ? Multiverse of Heavens ?

I said this too. But I was merely speculating like a frustrated fan.

It'll require a lot of good luck that's for sure and good baseball. 2 things the Sox have not had in abundance lately.

There's no reason to add him to the 40 man roster now. He'll be added before he makes his MLB debut. There are open spots on the 40 but there's no hurry to add anyone to it now. We'll have to see how the off season shakes out.They just added the Rule 5 guy they picked up, Avila, and they added Bryan Ramos and Jose Rodriquez to protect them from the Rule 5 draft. Ramos and Rodriquez had to be protected because of how long its been since they 1st signed with the Sox depending on their age when they signed. Colas didn't need protection.

I never included Anderson in any of my trade proposals. I just figured Hendriks might be the only way to free up money. He isn't going to be among the best forever. He should be moved. I haven't advocating moving Gio or TA because I think there's a good chance some guys have significantly better seasons. If anyone has any better ideas about who you could get for Hendricks to help the team I'm listening. An aging top closer isn't a necessity on a .500 team who can't spend money. Fathom do you want to keep Hendriks and if you're open to moving him then find me someone to move him for. He would be needed on a team that has a vast amount of improvement from the dreadful seasons last year but how many of those kinds of improvements can we expect ? enough to make the playoffs ? That's always been the question . Hence the debate, wait it all out , see how they all do and if its enough to flip the script going forward and right the ship or commence selling off the rest of the pieces every time one of them has a good year. The Sox got nothing for Abreu, Rodon or Cueto. They can't keep receiving nothing for guys who will either fall off because of age or reach Free Agency after crap years like 2022. Getting nothing leads to the BS farm system along with how poorly they draft and develop and rather play internationally in Cuba and Venezuela than the DR. After Hendriks is Gio . He's the top wait and see how he does guy vs how the team does . Is it a good or bad thing if he does well and the team does well thus not selling him off. Or is it better that he does well and the Sox are not in contention so you can sell him off ? I know we all want the Sox to win but ownership isn't exactly making a concerted effort for that to happen. Since we know they have no intention of spending on this team it's kind of imperative they make trades. It's not the fans fault the Sox screwed everything up. We're just stuck as fans trying to figure out which direction to go and biting each others heads off. It would be nice to see Eloy and Robert have monster years without seeing Eloy in the OF more than a handful of games while at the same time seeing a couple of the rest of the comeback candidates also do very well. They have to find a way to make the OF defense good again somehow when its highly unlikely they spend on FA wish and prayer OFers. That just leaves young guys acquired in a trade or 2 . Signs are everywhere they're being ultra stingy. They can't even invest in OF depth when they resign Payton and apparently can't yet close a deal on Victor Reyes.

Which thread was the one speculating on what Nimmo's salary would be? I'd like to see who came the closest. I'm doubting if anyone thought it would be $168M.

Dodgers don't panic. They have a loaded farm system, a great front office, great scouting and development, have money to burn on FA's and a great team that's a little thin on closer ,SS and OF. I'm actually surprised they played Bellinger so much and gave so many ABs to Gallo also. Guess they were trying to find that old magic too but never happened . Outside of Betts, Trace Thompson was their best OF. They haven't even started spending yet and they freed up a little over $100M from their payroll.

I can't accept that plan because you literally just told me iF Eloy hit 40 bombs , Robert had a 30/30 year, Kopech and Lynn pitched 150 innings and gives you a 3. 00 ERA Cease stays the same. Giolito gives you 180 IP 3.50 ERA 4-5 WAR ANderson gives you 4.5 to 5.0 War, Colas gives you 3 WAR Vaughn gives you 2.5 WAR Moncada gives you 4 War Clevinger gives you 3 WAR You improve the defense in the OF, improve team speed and you fill in the pen with money saved from trading hendricks and its not a total disaster, That the team wouldn't win the division or beat out Cleveland . You should go to the Cleveland board and tell them how bad we are and how good they are.

Despite you always giving me the TLR emojis and Sacamano just giving me grief in general. It's not very far from my thinking. I'm just not in favor of adding the extra expensive valueless pieces and my way is actually getting a jump start on the rebuild should the likely outcome of not making the playoffs occur in 2023. I'm just much more optimistic adding young players than adding expensive lottery tickets. I rather have athleticism and speed in the OF rather than bum shoulders and guys under 50% in sprint speed who also have power and years to develop even if they don't contribute right away. I mean if the end result is going to be a rebuild wouldn't you rather have Outman now than Gallo ? I can't say which one may help the Sox more in 2023 but I know which one will cost a lot less and be around for a lot more years. TLR me baby.

True but there are other options but no one wants to hear those either. They'd rather take their chances with expensive physical wrecks than trade for youngsters because some youngsters means "OH no we're rebuilding" when it could also mean an infusion of speed, energy power that you just might produce immediate or future results. We just saw Cleveland wipe the floor with us with that kind of team and we see TB compete every year despite having guys who arent household names.

Lottery tickets do not cost $8-10M. He should be in Japan with Aquino. Gallo is a Hahn purchase . Hahn and Jerry appreciate your support. The level of excitement for a Gallo would be less than a 5 if there were those choices but the thread maker chose to factiously give you choices of 10 and 9 as a joke so you're not changing anyones mind but Gallo would be a joke to a team mired in mediocrity and even a bigger joke to a team supposed to be having parades.

Returning to prior levels of production is called improvement when your most recent production is terrible . I don't know why it always has to be old veterans you throw out as choices. You might think Gallo at 29 in 2023 would have a better shot at a rebound but he's just bad . If you're going to take a shot at his 35HR .350 OBP glory days then the downside better be better than .280 OBP 15HRs while playing slightly above average defense (maybe) while K'ing 42% of the time while you have a lot of trouble scoring a runner from 3rd with less than 2 outs because you can't make any contact.

I'm fairly confident he wont return to form based on research. You don't just give out contracts hoping guys return to form , you put in the work to determine how likely that is. Bellinger shoulder issues but still slim and sleek and athletic likely to stay good defensive player and good baserunner for at least a couple more years. Shoulder makes it highly unlikely he finds his bat again but still useful in other ways . But pretty high premium price for a slight chance he finds offense again. Gallo :He will never be as good as he was defensively because he is much slower now. Sure he's got good instincts in the OF but no longer has the athleticism/speed required to use his good fundamentals to have any defensive rebound. He's a giant of a man. He's slowed down in all aspects. Plus is Gallo really a lottery ticket at $8-10M for a year ? He's more like buying cigarettes, expensive and nasty habit, likely to kill your budget when combined with your constant purchase of buying smokes.

There are or were but when I suggested them and keep suggesting them all I get are TLR emojis from the guy you're talking to. Of course my guys were depth pieces who would've cost next to nothing but Gallo had a good season but odd statistically as recently as 2021 so even though 2022 was putrid and Gallo's giant body is slowing down at a rapid pace he's worth more ? I don't get it either but its basically using career stats to support arguments for guys like Gallo, Bellinger and Conforto but the prices to find out if they are as bad as they have been most recently is very high. Gallo is just aging rapidly and slowing down. Bellinger is still slim and sleek and athletic but can't hit very well now due to a bad shoulder. Conforto had a bad year then was out with injury for another year that was rumored to be from a drunken fall at a party. If I had to chose between the 3 probably would pick Conforto based on who I think among those 3 was likely to help the Sox the most due to how well Conforto hit ( recent past) RHP but if Bellinger got $17.5M for 1 yr whats Conforto going to get ? $22M ? The Sox won't even give MLB contracts to better depth pieces in the OF .$720K is too much when you can sign worse guys to minor league contracts.

#1 Nice #2 If thinking Gallo is ok because he's an actual OFer pegged to play the OF that's about the lowest bar you have to clear to be happy. Yay, he's not a catcher pretending to be an OF. #3 Gallo for 1 year would be bad enough, multiple years appalling. Didn't you say the same thing about Bellinger? I mean more power to you if you want to think those guys could give you something to consider them playable for long stretches . The Cubs paid for defense and baserunning and maybe a 30% chance Bellinger will give them more than 2 War if he can hit only slightly better than he has for the last 2 years in their ballpark. Gallo's huge body is just slowing down rapidly. From 2019 to 2022 his sprint speed went from 69.8 percentile to 46%.

This is getting worse every day. I think I'm just going to stop posting until the season starts. I'm amazed at the amount of blowback I get suggesting upgrades with speed defense and 25 to 28 yrs power bats for depth or as starters. I know they aren't Nimmo but I'm trying to work within whats been reported as the Sox budget. Go on and be happy when you see Leury, Payton, Reyes , Eloy and Sheets back in the OF. No wonder some are thinking Gallo is acceptable when faced with the rest of the crap we've been hearing about. I don't think trading Hendriks would signal a rebuild if they got younger but I'd hope they get some LH guys with 6 years of eligibility and ready to step into an MLB lineup today. Having an elite closer on a .500 team is a waste when the team can't hit either. If Eloy has a 40 HR season in him or Robert has a 30/30 year in him it better be this year. Holding onto Hendriks is holding onto the dream that this team can still win but its also holding onto an asset that will start declining very soon. Tampa Bay would trade him because they trust their player development and scouting enough to take younger guys and develop them. Do that enough and you have a constant influx of young talent at every level ready to step in when your guys get too expensive for you. Depth and youth, thats how TB does it. I don't know who the White Sox are. Clearly JR is willing to spend more than TB on payroll but has never seen the light about creating a powerhouse system. The Dodgers do it and they are also willing to spend large amounts of money. The Sox are mired in mediocrity because the ownership and FO have no idea how to break the cycle or didn't commit to it before the 1st rebuild started. They are themselves mediocre management. I'd rather play upside guys who might struggle but eventually become good players than pay multi millions for Gallo and his quickly diminishing skill set. If this year flops again welcome to another rebuild. Jerry must have made some good profits during the rebuild and wants to do it again.