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It Takes a Team (of scrubs) to come back from an early deficit to take a 7-2 lead. Give up that lead then hold on for the win by the slimmest pf margins. Props to Sheets on his 1st 2 big league hits and contributing to the runs we got and the runs we gave up. But overall a successful debut. Major props to Vaughn for 2 hits against RHP. Props to everyone with an RBI as they all were needed. Props to Giolito for a gritty start and to Burr for a great 8th inning and the only pitcher who didn't give up a run. @hi8isfor his usual message of Fuck the Twins and Donaldson .

Burr for President !

I'll take it. I wasn't expecting 7 runs by the Sox nor expecting a blowout. This is the Sox team we have now. I'll take any win we can get and fuck the Twins and Donaldson !

And you using a 1 game sample size to make a point. No ones loves a small sample size like Ray Ray.

Duh the guy I quoted used a 2 AB sample size you screwball. I used16 X his sample size .

And overrated Mendick. The early consensus around here was Mendick was fine and we needed a RF . I preferred Escobar but admitted that we needed both and relief pitching.

So 2 AB's while he was batting .357 ,.455 OBP .643 Slg. and 1.097 OPS against RHP and you're done ?

He's in Kanny now. Aggressive assignment for him so he's not doing well which was probably expected.

There you go just like I said Vaughn, Goodwin and Sheets is the starting OF L to R.

I never expected the idea to be well received. Only offered it for discussion because I thought I might actually get some discussion on it. Not the same old lines about it's stupid to trade your best starting pitcher without even thinking about how unlikely he is to pitch 200 innings this year. People say let the Sox ride him hard and see what happens. I ask why would the Sox want to ride him hard since they know he has barely pitched the last 2 seasons and the best way to win a World Series is for him to somehow last til then ? If the Sox think they can do that and keep him healthy there's no reason to trade him. Maybe the Sox start using him as an opener and use him also in relief like they are using Kopech or Kopech can replace him, at some point and Rodon moves to the pen .There's any number of ways it can be handled to make them both last . However they COULD ( not should) decide that if another team also thinks they can keep him healthy they too might take the same chance as the Sox are taking and be willing to give up a useful piece for him . I used the Dbacks as an example. They have Zac Gallen a young pitcher with a partially torn UCL who just came back after 1.5 months off and not a FA until 2026. It's possible he can pitch the rest of the year with that partially torn UCL. It's also possible he can't and will need Tommy John surgery . AZ. could decide to trade him now knowing he is damaged goods or wait until the off season in which he may have Tommy John surgery and have to wait 1.5 years for him to pitch again or trade him then or just keep him or see if after surgery he can come back and pitch well and re-establish his value. Now if the Sox want to take on the Gallen injury risk and also want Escobar maybe the Sox could make a better offer for the 2 of them . I don't know what that kind of offer would look like but I proposed Rodon, high end guy like Crochet maybe another couple prospects one of which would also have to be good like Burger or a younger guy like Ramos or Rodriguez. No idea if that is too much or too little. It probably should involve a 3rd team with that 3rd team getting Rodon probably a contender, which might not be good . That contender also gives up a prospect to Az. but at least you get some value for the good fortune you had from signing Rodon instead of losing him to free agency for nothing. Very small chance that AZ. would trade Gallen without insisting on Kopech or they just say no to the very idea of trading Gallen or that you find a contender willing to take on Rodon 's high side injury risk. Sox probably don't want to give up good prospects for an injury risk like Gallen either. All very improbable but not impossible. But at least the Sox get a pitcher to replace Rodon for this season and Lynn for the coming seasons if Gallen can stay healthy. Even if he ends up having TJ surgery at some point you could still have him for the last 2 years of his contract. I just thought it was fun to propose something outside the box that would involve a lot of pieces and seems impossible and defies conventional thinking. I know all the reasons not to do it. Was hoping for a little more than that . Instead people see trade Rodon and auto think I'm giving up on this season or act like Rodon is going to continue pitching the same way he has all year right up until the World Series.

I think the admin could've hidden that post if he realized it was there. It probably should be. I would have if I could've but I can only edit the title and opening post as the thread starter.

Maybe it won't be too bad. Might be funny if Billy bats RH against Maeda . Interested in seeing that just to see if he does anything besides K.

You guys think Hamilton is going to play OF ? Remember it was said he would only hit RH when he came back and the Twins starter is RH. If Hamilton is terrible against RHP hitting LH you think he's going to play against them hitting RH ? I mean he could because can it actually be much worse than him hitting lefty ? But I'm looking at Vaughn ,Goodwin and Sheets from L to R.

He's been pretty decent this year hitting RH. But Twins are starting 3 RHP and it was said when Billy Comes back he would only hit Right-handed Hitting RH against RHP which will be a new thing for Billy . He might not be in the starting lineup. Might be Vaughn, Goodwin and Sheets L to R.

I wonder if he plays against RHP will he only bat RH since it was said he will only bat RH when he returns. Hitting RH is his strong side. Has he given up switch hitting or is it only due to injury and temporary?

Was that me ? Hey I won a game going for 2 now. I think I deserve a standing O ! I did jump the gun early which I apologized for. Forgot about the game being suspended. But after the Sox lost that game they used the one I made since it was already there.

Might not get one for Rodon either since the CBA expires and a chance for a strike looming in 2022. There's a reason the Sox signed him for $3M. It's because he's always injured and never fulfilled his promise previous to this year . Even now his value going forward in the 2nd half is a huge question mark. A player who pitched 6 innings last year and 36 the year before usually is not capable of pitching 200 innings. That's usually the amount of innings a starting pitcher logs from the beginning of the year and throughout the playoffs . Arm strength has to be built up in previous years. That's why a veteran pitcher like Keuchel is valuable. He can stay injury free and last the whole year. It's not a guarantee but it's much more likely than Rodon doing it.

True but since it's up in the air and I'm not 100% sure when the old CBA expires I just used the old rules. If it expires after the season than yeah whole new ball game.

Thank you I was on it if you weren't.

Lance Lynn is not eligible to receive a Qualifying Offer because he had already received one previous from the Cardinal so therefore the Sox cannot offer him one and they will not receive compensation for him. Rodon will have to make it through the whole season for the Sox to even consider giving him a QO.

I am not anti Vaughn. I love Vaughn against LHP and against some RHP because he needs to hit against them. Trading Rodon is a wild idea , that's true. But I always thought instead of signing veterans or taking shots on guys who were released that they should have invested in guys who were non tendered during the rebuild. Those young talents like Rodon, Schwarber, Schoop orMcCann who had displayed some ability to have good seasons or flash potential could always have been signed with team options so they weren't lost if they did well or traded for youth. Guys like Wellington Castillo John Jay or the 1st baseman who is out of baseball now didn't net the Sox anything except for what little the Sox got for Castillo. As I said earlier trading Rodon does not mean you are giving up on the season if you can maximize his worth to help this year and future years when you don't have Rodon or Lynn.

I have to assume they will be gone because they are free agents. If the Sox want them back then they will have to pay up. After all it's in the player's best interest to be a free agent after a good year. That's the whole point of reaching free agency, to maximize your earnings.

I know he isn't getting dealt. The Dbacks could trade him for youth that's why or if the Sox could swing a 3 way trade involving the Dbacks and someone else.

My sympathy, condolences and prayers to the entire Reinsdorf family and friends who this painful passing affects.

They do need to. Their actions in the past usually has been acquiring veteran talent that greatly disappoints and their appearances in the playoffs never last beyond one season. If they could be as smart as TB and set up the infrastructure to support it with a bigger budget than TB they could be more successful than TB. The one thing that has eluded TB is because of budget they usually can't acquire that one expensive piece that might win them a World Series. But you cannot argue with the rest of the results. Even the Dodgers had a hard time winning the World Series while continually making the playoffs and they have all the money in the world to spend. As far as fans rioting, as was said in another post, or fans not tolerating it, as you said ,as long as you keep putting a winning product on the field fans opinions should mean nothing. So what if a few hundred loudmouths who know nothing about running a successful baseball franchise make noise on Twitter . Winning quiets them . In the Sox case that noise has always been warranted because the Sox have shown they also don't know how to run a successful MLB franchise. A profitable one , yes, a winning one , no.