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LOL Yea that confused me too but Madrigal was the only guy he could possibly mean. That's why I said pretty sure he meant Madrigal ,

Probably because he has never played all his home games away from Coors. Lots of guys are better at home than the road. Nobody thought much of DJ LeMahieu who put up great seasons at Coors and was always better there than on the road . Then the Yankees sign him for 2 years $24M and he puts up 6 WAR . Great is great no matter where you play. Coors is a factor but not a factor that defines his greatness. Any player defined as top 5 is arguable unless it's Trout.

Good post . Just a few things . There is an Arenado thread and notice the difference in how I spelled Arenado and how you did.

I'm pretty sure he was saying Madrigal would be.

Would be awesome if Burdi can show he's ready.

Being 24 and being a major league regular for 4 years means the kid has a ton of talent. He could've been in the minors all those years. He started off as a 21yr old hitting 20 HR's. He's been almost the exact same player every year . Maybe he never gets it. Or maybe he decides OK I did it my way the last 4 years maybe it's time for a change . I think he's capable of 30-40 HR's. I'd call that a good improvement and a good ceiling. Apparently you don't agree. I hope you can still root for the kid without an I told you so in your head every AB he doesn't produce . That's no way to be a Sox fan. If the Sox end up with Castellanos I will cheer for him too just as loudly as i would for Mazara.

These posts are just so wonderful . You are all getting likes from me. There's so much more to why Abreu got that contract and it has like $4M in deferred money from 2023-26. I'm sure Reinsdorf thinks he was worth every penny of it ,Abreu loves the White Sox more than just about anything and wasn't afraid to show it . He is Mr.White Sox and if you can't deal with that I feel bad for you. He has done everything in his power to make this team better. The more I defend him the more I learn about him and just how influential he is to the younger guys not only on being a better baseball player but being a better person and representing the White Sox in a positive way.

Nice I asked about this like 2 months ago on here thinking we were so far behind in that.

Don't tell me what my opinion boils down to . It's everything I wrote and if you think its subjective then my subjective guess is the Sox think the same way and no matter how much you hate the Mazara deal nothing is going to happen. The Sox arent getting Castellanos. There's a huge disconnect here where you have a few threads asking who our last sub will be and here ,where there are those still whining about the Abreu contract and the Mazara trade and that's you mostly a faction with you at the forefront. Argue with me at the end of the season or in 3 years if there's a way you can figure out the Sox lost the World Series or the division or a playoffs series if any of your fears come to fruition about how they under spent on RF for a shot at upside or Abreu's contract. You'll never be able to prove it because half the team and the future is riding upside. You can never single out how one contract that's a few million more or a few million less or a player or 2 players on a 26 man roster could cost the team when there are 24 other guys who had a much larger roll . Any of them or all of them playing better or worse than you expect leads to success or failure. That's much more subjective than anything I said. You're also telling me Castellanos is better than he was 3 years ago when he was 24,exactly the same age as Mazara is now. Yet Mazara is and wlll be the same player as he's always been. That does not compute.

No my opinion is that he is worth it in Reinsdorf's mind and you misrepresented how much he is costing. It changes year to year and you didn't take into account what another 1st baseman would cost . If you think he or another quality 1st baseman is worth $12M a year and Abreu averages around $16.666M it's really npt worth all the hot air his contract has been given. If Vaughn takes over at 1st base in a year or 2 then we have an extremely inexpensive 1st baseman and an expensive DH or part time DH but the overall cost will be less than the Sox are paying in 2020 for Abreu and EE. I think Reinsdorf took all of that into account by the way he structured the Abreu contract. And I like to back my position with as many facts as I can. It's blanket statements without facts bleated by the sheep of popular opinion that bother me. I keep arguing that for those clamoring for Castellanos that it's a waste of space on a roster already decided upon except for another utility guy. But they are perfecting willing to spend $15M, or whatever a one year contract for Castellanos will cost, in a year that our pitching is suspect, we already have Mazara so you waste his chance for a breakout year, You add worse starting defense in RF and you add worse substitute defense with Mazara as a 4th OF and lose versatility on the bench. Plus you are going to piss off a few pitchers with ugly overall OF defense. Then too, you might have less to spend at the trade deadline for piece you really have a need for instead a redundant player like Castellanos. Castellanos is Abreu or EE masquerading as an OF. Where's the fiscal responsibility there ? Or does that only apply to Abreu ?

Sure there is just ask Reinsdorf. Depends what year of Abreu's contract you are talking about, For 2020 his base salary is $11M , His payroll Salary is $12.666M (because of the signing bonus it's $1.666M higher than the base salary). His Luxury Tax salary is $16.666M. Also you can't really say $18M would come in handy as if you wouldn't have to pay another decent 1st baseman. Also $4M of 2020 salary deferred ($1M each July 2023-2026) . One more thing Full No Trade for 2020 10-team no trade list for 2021 5-team no trade list for 2022 https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/jose-abreu-13653/ for a look at how ABreu's contract is structured

Yea me too but I seem to be the only one in that thread where the crowd is chanting , "We Want Castellans ! We Want Castellanos !"

There's still debate raging over our starting RF.

it was @bmags being funny that's all.

No it's not he wants Castellanos.

Not according to all the discussions going on in the Castellanos thread.

Is this how we celebrate the end of Dylan Covey ? Have they ever been seen together in the same place at the same time ?

Got a guy in mind ? Who haven't we discussed ad nauseum ? Brad Miller and Holt both play OF but not Cf. Who does that leave Pillar ? He hasn't had an OBP over .303 since 2015. Cameron didnt play much CF the last few years. Leury will just have to do in CF if Robert gets injured. Then you just decide on the infielder ,the Swiss army knife IF/OF you want.

I do like this a lot better than the nightmares it is sandwiched between.

No there isn't a rule there's just the reality that only so many people can play at once and that defense and pitching also have something to do with the outcomes of most games. Too many DH types won't help the defense or the pitching. 5 guys would be classified as DH types. Abreu, Eloy, EE, Castellanos and I'll even throw Mazara in the mix to satisfy anyone who says they are equally bad in the OF. Good conversation . Thanks

Not to mention all the young pitchers they are banking on. That's a hell of a lot of players to hope have good seasons to think Castellanos will make much difference while sacrificing everything else they would have to sacrifice to get him.

No, roster construction, payroll and what the Sox have already done has me in this mindset The Sox will not be getting Castellanos. That is apparent . The Sox would have to punt either EE or Mazara. They are going to roll with those guys for the reasons I stated multiple times already. They made those moves because they could not wait to fill holes. They couldn't afford to wait to see if Castellanos market took a dump and if it did they couldn't know for sure they would sign him. Boras is his agent and it's pretty obvious because he hasn't signed that his defense and what Boras is asking for is a huge concern. The only concern with rebuilding is making sure we have enough pitching. We have enough bats, DH's,and bad defensive corner OF's. There's no room for another one. It's too late in the game to find a taker for EE or Mazara.

How do you know it'll bridge the gap ? Do you sacrifice a potential Mazara break out and the potential to be a valuable trade chip ? Do you sacrifice production from EE ? Someone will be sitting a lot. There's no way to know what their production would be if they are on the bench. Do you sacrifice payroll at the deadline ? Do you sacrifice a versatile bench player for the guy now sitting on the bench who can only either DH or play a bad corner OF ? Do you sacrifice pitcher's ERA , WHIP's. effectiveness and confidence ? If you want to continue to look at it in a vacuum go right ahead but there are logistics to every move you make that a simple "the dude can rake add him it's a no brainer" entails. So yea you do have to use your brain.

I was responding to @chitownsportsfan who said either a one or 2 year deal both make sense and I addressed both issues. Try reading both posts again before you make a comment that doesn't make sense . It's in my last sentence..... "having both of them will surely hurt monetarily either at the deadline or next year if you give him a 2 year contract."

Makes sense for what ? Bad defense? Stifling how much can be added to next years payroll ? Ending the chance for a Mazara breakout ? Are the playoffs in 2020 such a priority that you hurt the year or 2 beyond that by having less payroll flexibility ? If by some weird chance Castellanos signs with the Sox and he won't because the Sox also know it makes no sense for this year even if you think it does. The Sox have plenty of hitting if everyone does what we hope they do and even more if Mazara breaks out. They got Mazara for a reason and we know what that reason is, the possibility he hit's over 30 HR's and he's still inexpensive. There's no room for the both of them unless EE suddenly starts showing his age. You can't sit both Castellanos and Mazara . Do you think it's possible to trade EE now ? Can you sit EE on the bench to play Castellanos and Mazara at the same time ? Someone is going to be riding the pine a lot and DH or bad defensive players are not ideal bench pieces. You have no idea what will be available at the deadline or what it will cost. Relief pitchers won't cost much. Pitching will decide the Sox fate in 2020 not Castellanos, nor Mazara but having both of them will surely hurt monetarily either at the deadline or next year if you give him a 2 year contract.