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So you think if Avi has another good year he's worth $100M ? What are you smokin ? If he has another good year he actually might be worth what Caulfield wanted to pay him in the 1st place. Believing in yourself has nothing to do with the possibility of getting injured. $18M is still $18M .might not seem like much when we talk baseball contracts but it's a hell of a lot of money.

Plenty noticed you were gone. Some even expressed concern for your health. You are more infamous than many on this board and having a screen name where everyone knows your first name because of the way you drive everyone crazy and your constant need for attention. At this point you're lucky not to have people telling you to go back into hiding rather than welcoming you back. Welcome back Greg ,glad you didn't die.

I think if he is non tendered and doesn't receive any good offers it's actually good will on the Sox part to offer him more than anyone else.Even on a 1 year deal do you think Avi is going to get an $8M offer ?According to some here he might be worth a minor league contract. What other teams will be willing to give Avi as many AB's as the Sox would to prove himself. If he signs a 1 year deal and flops or gets injured he then enters his age 29 FA year as a non entity, Guaranteeing him money for 3 years plus an option for a 4th might be more enticing than gambling on himself for 1 year.

And you shouldn't say I'm historically incorrect without evidence to back it up.Simple as that. How can I be historically inaccurate if you can't prove otherwise? I have made quite a few posts on guys who have won a World Series then signed with non contenders and guys who have not won a World Series who have signed with contenders just as there are posters who have sited examples of others who have done the opposite. All that does is create arguments that go round and round. I also think the Sox do have a chance to sign Machado but I don't think it's likely, pretty,much the same as most who post here. I won't be the only one eating crow if they succeed.

That kind of offer may not be necessary if he is non tendered and then the Sox resign him to less money after he doesn't get many other decent offers. Let's say they give him $8M in arb this year and he has a break out year.Now the Sox are stuck with either a contract extension , trading him or letting him walk. If they non tender him how many teams do you think give him a 2-4 year offer ? Maybe none. Non tender and offer him 3/$15-18 w/ an option for a 4th year at $10M. He might never break out again but if he does he's locked up for his most likely productive years and until the youngsters arrive.

So do I. actually like Rutherford . I never understand complaints about power in Rutherford ,Sheets, Robert and Madrigal. All I want to see is a sound approach that produces results with gap to gap hitting. I think a young man with a knowledge of spreading the ball around is so much more likely to end up making it . Once you understand the game and yourself and your swing, you can adapt to add power.

Haha I never saw the Trout Engel comps at least not in the swing. Yelich and Rutherford look very similar, body and swing and approach too.

I always thought Rutherford reminded me of Yelich. I've said so in a few posts. I had no idea they knew each other. https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/blake-rutherford-christian-yelich-share-bond/c-297159502

And Avi is in the current group.

Having a hard time figuring out the $30-45M contract offer. I assume it's for Abreu ?

When you have a 26 year old having a career year in a rebuild again isn't that the point of a rebuild to let kids develop ? Maybe that's why he wasn't traded. We all know Hahn has shown patience in trades. Perhaps he gambled on back to back solid years from Avi hoping to get more in a trade when whatever was offered wasn't good enough. If you rather play Delmonico and Cordell over Avi so be it but its just an exercise in futility when the talent is inferior to Avi. Even on a rebuilding team they don't have the talent to play full time. They will never get 550 Ab's. They will never hit .300 they will never make an AS team , they might not hit 15 HR's. I just want to keep the more talented players that aren't that old with upside, I don't think that's very hard to understand when there's not a whole lot of talent to begin with in the OF.

It's about ceiling when a great half year could result in a trade for more than he's worth now. So if our next playoff team is in 3 or 4 years we have no room for a 31 or 32 year old outfielder ? One of the reasons the Astros ditched JD Martinez was because they had a promising group of OF on the rise in the minors. The only one who worked out was Springer. Why get rid of Avi with his ceiling when he's blocking no one and many of the minor league OFers still have a lot to prove ? If Avi's a placeholder so be it, I won't shed a tear if a younger guy replaces him or if he is non tendered. I assume we can resign him at a lesser rate if he is non tendered since when I asked you about it the only answer was I like Avi way more than anyone else.

Probably but there is post a few above this one that say's the same things I've been saying not because we like him but because he's way more talented the the rest of the bunch. It's not a higher view of him , it's a lesser view of everyone else. I thought we were trying to find hidden gems. Avi is the best chance at that. Despite his past failures, who among Delmonico, Cordell and whoever else you have in mind has a chance to be as good as Avi can be ?

The response of someone who can't back up what he says, just like with the Herm Schneider accusations, which is why you're attacking me now because I shot down your ridiculous assumptions then.

Do I have to ? Are there MLB rules against non tendering a guy and then resigning him to less money or a multi year contract with incentives that gives him a chance to make more money then his other offers ? If he's not worth anything then surely the offers won't be flying in for such an enigma.

Unlike you, I don't try to make bold and outlandish takes to impress anyone. Unless you can provide me the top 5 players who signed for largest amounts of money for every year since free agency began, what the counter offers were for each of them, the projected analysis for the teams position in the standings , and if those players had ever won a World Series before they signed their FA contracts you'll have to excuse me I I don't trust your word that I am historically incorrect. Your word means nothing.

I know he never hit .330 in the minors with 200+ AB's. I also know he isn't as fast or as good of an OF'er, nor does he have a cannon for an arm like another guy I know . This guy who hit .330 at age 26 in 561 PA's in the big leagues and was an All Star and won't turn 28 till June . The same guy hit 19 Hrs last year in an injury plagued season where he only had 356 AB's with a hitting style very similar to JD Martinez.

Might as well face it. The Sox plan is to suck again next year. They might have plans to sign Machado but they won't. Maybe they can come up with something unique like give him a piece of the team. Signing a big fish or even smaller fish in order to improve slightly is detrimental to another high draft choice.

It might be, but it won't be unique because the Sox sign him.

You'll see he won't be signing with a team years away or on the way down. He'll sign with a contender because all offers will be similar . He can lay his head on that pile of money much more comfortably on a winning team.

I guess I must be the only one who sees a lot of similarities between Avi and JD Martinez. I quoted you because at least you seem to realize he has upside. JD Martinez and Avi both hit very well in the minors. Martinez 3 disappointing partial seasons in Houston where he had an OPB of .300. Both big guys, both use all fields both right handed. I can understand people wanting him gone. After all he's been a disappointment. Does Avi have the talent to hit .300 with 30+ ? Of course he does, I know he'll be 28 next year. I have no delusions about him nor any about the stiffs behind him or according to most here, those likely to be kept ahead of him . There's no upside to McCutcheon . https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/05/31/martinez-slipped-through-astros-fingers-just-was-blossoming/d5XHKgbwHUNEBvXtQgxtBO/story.html

I can see it now. Manny Machado signs with White Sox , gets head examined after saying I really miss all those losing years I had in Baltimore and I'd like to relive them.

Well at least they are young . 3 pitchers , 5 If we count Spencer Adams and Covey. Less if any of them are drafted in the rule 5 or released. One thing we know for sure Shields isn't young so no upside. If next year is going to be a total disaster might as well start with Covey in the rotation and give then all a shot to show us anything. That's what you want right ?

You don't know that for sure about what anyone was willing to trade. It's all conjecture on your part unless you have knowledge the rest of don't which you are willing to share. I explained what Hahn could have been thinking in my post. If you want to keep repeating yourself on that front we will just have to disagree and leave it at that. What I'm really getting from you is you want Eloy to be surrounded by a bunch of stiffs thus lessening his chances to fulfill his potential and hoping for a top 5 pick again not for this coming draft but maybe the one after that also. You don't want any veterans signed . You don't believe the Sox will sign a big name FA. You want to wait for our pitching prospects already here to prove themselves. You want to wait for the hitters and pitchers in the minors to come up. You want the Sox to prove they haven't made as many mistakes in the draft as it looks like they have at the moment. You want an extremely cheap payroll and hope Palka and Delmonico can play OF when they are really just a AAAA player and a DH at the expense of the highest upside hitter we have in Avi. If I got any of this wrong I'm sure you will tell me. And if the Sox do happen to sign Machado or Harper after that we scramble to change everything you now think.

And you and others are being pretty respectful when you say it when it really needs to be screamed to anyone defending the choices.