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Wow! Granted Cotts didn't do squat this year...but the market seems like it should have been better for a lefty out of the pen. Goody...more Coop projects.

Cotts for Eric Byrnes straight up! I know it really doesn't solve any needs...but I'd love to have Eric Byrnes on this team.

I would be on Cloud 9!!! I live in Glendale...about 10 minutes from Peoria Sports Complex...and am only about 15-20 from the new football stadium. In a few years...that area around the football stadium will be nice with all the amenities they're putting in. This would ROCK! Not that far a drive to Tucson...just boring as s***. Of course it takes you 40 minutes to get out of town from the NW Valley...and that's with light traffic. Actually looking at the map and the story...it's actually land IN Phoenix that's owned by the city of Glendale.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Nov 9, 2006 -> 03:25 PM) But it should be more orange or brown, for the southwest. Yuck...Padres of old. Most people you'll find in the southwest really don't like what people think are "southwestern" colors.

Like I said...having Eric Byrnes as your model does absolutely nothing for them. But the read unis are sharp. A HELL OF A LOT better than that friggin purple. Couldn't find any pictures of the road greys. The white ones are the worst of the bunch. Should have gone sleeveless for the whites. And last but not least...Chris Young donning the new uni....

I couldn't stand the purple crap. Not sure Eric Byrnes makes these look very good. I love this guy though...wish KW would have made a run for him last year. Check out his shoes.

I am DIGGIN on this schedule this year!!! I work from home...and Monday's and Tuesdays I can pretty much do whatever...and live about 5-10 minutes from Peoria Sports Complex (best food on the circuit!). First monday at Maryvale (15 minutes or so from me). Next sunday in Peoria...as well as the sunday after that...followed by Surprise the next day. Life is good and will see a lot of Sox baseball this spring! Damn I can't wait! and btw...you couldn't pay me to drive to Mesa to go to a game.

I've never seen him play baseball...and he plans on playing both at ASU. But he is a hell of a football player and was the Arizona "big school" player of the year last year. Not sure what direction he wants to pursue...baseball or football...but if it's football...Koetter didn't do him any favors by finally activating him at this point in the season and giving up a redshirt year.

Tigers = 3rd place next year.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 01:12 AM) It feels better now than it did at the time for me. Man was that a great day.... So was that day in that picture in your sig on the left! If that picture had a little more background at the top and in focus...you'd probably see me going apes***! I was 4th row baby!

Are you friggin nuts?!? Get rid of Dye?!? Jeez...let's just purge the whole team and hope for the best. The team won 90 games with a ton of guys really having crap seasons...specifically our staff....and you want to start trading some of our best players. Seriously....the Sox were only how many games here and there (that I can recall ones they really blew albeit from the bullpen...to the starters...to a timely hit here or there...) from winning 7-8-9 more games and taking the division. Let's stop the rebuilding madness.

This was a completely out of left field take on the Yanks and ARod situation from Caple. Sorry if this was already posted...but didn't see it as far back as 4 or 5 pages. Could you imagine what Yankee fans would say if this happened?!? The whole thing about Jeter never defending ARod is complete bulls*** IMO. I'd still take ARod in a heartbeat. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...mp;lid=tab2pos1

This whole thing about Ozzie not being on the same page as KW is gonna get to be an interesting war or wills...and Ozzie WILL lose. I wouldn't cry if he got so pissed out about somebody telling him how to run his team and just walked (of course expecting KW and the entire Sox fanbase to chase him down to kiss his ass to come back). But he really does need to get with the program. Personally I never was thrilled with the 6 man rotation idea unless the 6th starter was used as a "rover-type" player and inserted for guys to completely miss a start here and there instead of just an extra days rest...especially late in the season (really...would that have made much difference...one extra day's rest?).

Personally....I won't even read his crap anymore. But just to recap for some: Jay Mariotti's Year in Review Since yappy Sun-Times sports columnist Jay Mariotti shows no interest in joining me in feasting on crow, allow me to take you, dear reader, back through the last 12 months of Mariotti's moody musings on the White Sox: 2004 November 17 --(I am) launching a campaign demanding that (Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf) sell the team to a group with the financial means and commitment -- the Comcast Sports empire, perhaps -- to compete for championships in a big market. Otherwise, the Sox might tumble into total irrelevance while The Ballmall Formerly Known as Comiskey Park becomes a sausage factory. Reinsdorf... might as well wave another white flag before next season..... Think I'm underestimating the Sox' chances next year? ... Hell, the Sox might be a .500 club....If (Reinsdorf's) franchise isn't dying, it never has seemed more irrelevant in this town...(What Smart fans) want to know is how the Sox plan to win a World Series. Answer: They won't, as long as Reinsdorf and his people own the team. Please sell it. December 14 -- Oh, this makes loads of sense, building a slap-and-tickle team to play 81 games in the most power-friendly ballpark in the majors..... Ken Williams is trading mashers for midgets....Amazingly enough, a team that hit a major-league-best 242 homers in 2004 has lost four prime power hitters, including Jose Valentin. And the only attempt to fill the void was Williams' cheapskate signing of injury-hobbled Jermaine Dye, who will make $4 million next year ($10 million less than Ordonez made last season) and is a career .208 hitter with two out and runners in scoring position.....Don't be fooled by (Scott) Podsednik's 2003 National League Rookie of the Year award or his 70 stolen bases last year. This is a leadoff hitter who has trouble leading off, hitting only .244 last season with a lame .313 on-base percentage....When Juan Uribe is a team's third-best hitter, you again start hoping that Reinsdorf sells the franchise while wondering if the general manager has lost his lid.... As long as Jose Contreras is your No. 3 starter and Jon Garland is your No. 4, the Sox can't play OzzieBall.....They don't care about winning and only care about making money. December 19 --If the Sox had given (former Cub Matt) Clement an extra $5 million and (pitcher Omar) Vizquel an extra year and $3 million, they would have a quality No. 3 starter behind Freddy Garcia and Mark Buehrle and a fielding wizard to anchor the infield. But because they bid low in both cases, they'll be a .500 team next year. Or worse. 2005 April 4 -- The Sox will win 84 games and miss the playoffs. In a season of questions about health, payrolls and elective styles of baseball, the only certainty is that both (Chicago) clubs will fall short of the St. Louis Cardinals and Minnesota Twins in their divisional races, extending the city's streak of collective seasons without a Series championship to 185. "I go into every season thinking we can win a championship," says Ken Williams, the loopy general manager of the Sox. "I think we have a chance to do great things." They tote the rhetoric. I bring the reality..... I do not believe in Jon Garland and his Cuban clone, Jose Contreras, who needs to make more pitches and tip fewer. .... With Johan Santana locked in (with the Twins) through 2008, the Sox may not win a division title for a while. April 7 --(The Sox are) Winning Lucky. Groovy as Sox life seems right now, let me assure you that this is no formula for a division title. ...(Jerry Reinsdorf ) and (Ken) Williams have concocted this "new way" of baseball that actually is a euphemism for payroll-crunching. April 18 -- I stand by my story that the Twins are better... .The Sox are a work in progress; the Twins are the polished product.... Are the Sox ready? I think not. April 23 --If someone in charge doesn't muzzle Ozzie Guillen with duct tape, inject him with a horse tranquilizer or simply order him to shut the [bleep] up -- his favorite expression, not mine -- the man is going to talk himself out of a job and shame the city and ballclub he represents. .... Guillen's penchant for bizarre, unnecessary controversy is rising at the same approximate rate. ....Guillen is only confirming what his critics said: He's too nuts, off the wall and out of control. May 6 --The happy news is, this team is 21-7 despite its offensive problems, which suggests Ken Williams' daring transition to thinking-man's baseball -- Small Ball, Smart Ball, Snail Ball, Ozzie Ball, Anti-Magglio Ball, Ducksnort Ball -- is his most successful gamble yet in an otherwise lukewarm career as general manager. ....Maybe this is a magically conceived team with purring chemistry and the perfect attitude. ...there are legitimate reasons to think the Sox will contend deep into September. May 15 --(The Sox) have the sweetest rotation in the sport ....And while I'm not about to predict they'll be the first local team in 187 collective seasons to win a World Series, they are built to last deep into September. May 19-- I've always asked the Sox to place their media-bashing energies into assembling a pennant contender. Now ... Ken Williams seems to have done that. May 21 --It should surprise no one.. that the Sox would rise impressively.... the Sox seem poised for glory. May 25 -- The Sox are the biggest overachievers in baseball. May 30--You can't chip and dink out runs for 162 games and expect your starting pitchers to bail out the cause every time. ...Excuse me, but are those the Minnesota Twins only 3 1/2 games back now? Pardon me, but have the Sox sunk to ninth in the American League in runs scored after managing 17 in their last seven games? June 7 -- I can safely say the Sox won't win a World Series as long as (Jerry Reinsdorf) owns them. June 14 --I could .... concur that the rotation is the best we've ever seen, point out that the White Sox are the 12th team since 1996 to take a winning percentage of .673 or better into June, further point out that 10 of the previous 11 made the playoffs... and then conclude, This is definitely is the year!" But that would be a lie. And I sure don't want to lie to anybody.... Will (Ken) Williams recognize his Joe Crede problem and pursue Shea Hillenbrand?....The Sox still don't have enough offense, and given the struggles of the Yankees and Red Sox, Williams should be driven to spend the necessary money and make the bold deals. June 21 -- I will state for the record today, on the bosom of Hawk Harrelson, that the Sox are crash-proof in this regular season. You may as well sit back and enjoy the next 31/2 months. They are not going to miss the playoffs. Hear me? The aren't choking. Got that? June 24 -- Guillen's feistiness has a magical effect on the Sox. July 4-- Destiny is a dangerous word at midseason. It connotes a contentment that shouldn't exist with a team that, realistically, isn't quite as good as its record. No doubt the Sox are heading to the playoffs....The hot debate among Sox fans is whether Ken Williams, Executive of the Half-Year, should be a major, minor or non-player in the trading period. That's easy. When you haven't won the World Series since dinosaurs roamed the earth -- or, in Carl Everett's non-Jurassic world, since Adam and Eve hooked up -- you only can be a major player. This will shock and anger many Soxheads, but as a public service, I will submit that the Angels and Red Sox are slightly more equipped to win the American League pennant. July 19 --- I'm not saying the Sox can't win the pennant. I'm just saying they have to load up on reinforcements when the American League competition includes Boston, New York, Anaheim and Minnesota...History looms. It matters not if the Sox are 62-29 on July 19 if they lose three of five to a wild-card team -- the Red Sox or Yankees, I presume -- in the divisional round of the AL playoffs. July 30-- Williams insists the Sox don't need major roster surgery, but I couldn't disagree more. July 31--All I know is this: If 3 p.m. rolls around and Ken Williams has not made a significant trade, perspective will succumb to the usual paranoia in Sox precincts everywhere. Because this franchise will have jeopardized its best World Series shot in years... As presently constituted, I doubt the Sox are as equipped to win the pennant as, say, the Disneyland Angels, who have won a recent World Series and have the American League's most complete team. Or the Red Sox, who finally won it all last year and are so big on midseason shakeups that they're shopping Manny Ramirez after successfully dumping Nomar Garciaparra last summer. ...Today is the day the season is won or lost on the South Side. August 15--- For all his talents as a skipper, Guillen is a loose-lipped disaster as a representative of his team, city and sport. August 17-- You might be under the influence of Hawk Harrelson, but for non-homers who analyze baseball at face value, the Sox are vulnerable because their attack lacks punch. ....Remember that sick feeling in Seattle (in the 2000 playoffs) after the sweep? To avoid it again, Williams has to find a big bat. August 20 --Only a fool thinks a scratch-and-tickle offense doesn't need Ken Griffey Jr.... A theme is emerging, and it isn't pretty for the South Siders. Barring an unforeseen deal by general manager Ken Williams, who is too protective of team chemistry and not focused enough on reality, the Sox will enter the postseason with one of the tamer offensive lineups in recent memory -- which places incredible pressure on starting pitchers to throw great games... I subscribe to a growing theory that the club's playoff fate is most dependent on Garland. August 21-- When you see the Sox morph into a limp, feeble club that can't piece together a run, much less win a game -- I mean, is it wrong to mention early similarities to 1969? --....is it not fair to wonder if a vintage Chicago baseball gag is unfolding? Anywhere else, they'd call it a speed bump, a minor rut. In Chicago, it's reason for primal scream therapy. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!....Enough with the romantic concept of protecting four months of fine chemistry. August 24 -- Tuesday night in Minnesota, the Sox lost their most agonizing game yet in what has been a maddening, unnerving skid in Choke City. ....This is supposed to be a season of history. Instead, the Sox are dipping into infamy. .... Serious baseball people have been waiting for them to fold all year, figuring they are playing over their heads because they haven't put together success against elite teams. At the moment, the Sox are making the doomsayers look smart. September 1 --The final, final, final trading deadline passed late Wednesday night without activity, leaving the Sox with one of the flimsiest batting orders of any contender in years. (The Sox are) a downwardly spiraling imposter that has little chance to win a postseason series, unless ominous patterns unexpectedly turn bright in coming weeks...... Buehrle doesn't have his stuff. You don't know what you're getting from Garland. El Duque is fading. Dustin Hermanson still has an iffy back. The team looks tired. The defense has been woeful. The lineup has too many automatic outs. The Sox aren't playing well at home. Who is Geoff Blum, anyway? September 18-- If there is any sense of mercy, the White Sox will be blacked out the rest of the season so a terminally cursed city needn't witness The Mother of All Collapses. .... I have been opining since the summer trade deadlines -- in this column, on national TV, on every media outlet not controlled by Soxaganda -- that the boys are vulnerable to a classic choke job because management didn't bring in reinforcements....(Ken) Williams was foolishly protective of clubhouse chemistry ....The Sox have been a house of cards all along ...It was unrealistic to think smart ball would hold up all season when the concept was so dependent on pitching. ... A recipe for October success, this is not. The next 14 days and nights will be hell for the Sox, their fans and a city sick of applying the Heimlich maneuver. Watch at your own risk. September 20 --Other cities host the World Series. Chicago hosts Choke Job Theater....Part of our lot in life is that the local baseball teams are destined to tease, crash and burn.....The Sox are deluding themselves if they believe Bobby Jenks -- a 270-pound rookie reliever -- can stop a historic free-fall. Who do they think he is, Ricky [Wild Thing] Vaughn of "Major League" fame?.... The thing about chemistry is, sometimes the test tube explodes and leaves your dreams in pieces. .... Whether the Sox go on to finish the biggest regular-season fold in baseball history or somehow do a backdoor slider into the playoffs, it should be obvious now that the rampaging Indians are a much better team and are worthier of the American League Central title. September 22 --The Wheeze Sox....(are) pressing and gagging, contrary to the protests of Ozzie Guillen and the pig-like wails of Hawk Harrelson, who should be put out of his misery.....Oh ye of too much faith. The Sox aren't good enough to think beyond the next game....So, this dark, doomsday drama inevitably careens toward a final three-game series in Cleveland ... Williams failed to make the club better at midseason and left the Sox vulnerable.... Yes, it was difficult to make deals this year. But the best organizations always get their man ... and the Sox only got Geoff Blum. September 27 -- Do you honestly think this team can do the slightest damage in the playoffs, assuming the Sox don ' t squander what is now a two-game divisional lead and two-game lead for the wild card? ...Just why are the Sox playing for October when they clearly don ' t belong there? October 2-- I can't see the Sox beating the Angels (in the playoffs). October 3 -- What is impressive about the Sox is how unified they've remained through all the stress. Some teams would have divided and pointed fingers during a slide that saw a 15-game lead shrink to 11/2 games, but not once did we hear a peep of dissension. October 4-- I've been trying to tell out-of-towners that Guillen has been a terrific manager. October 5----Ozzie Ball isn't about an on-field approach as much as the unity he cultivates in the clubhouse. He has their backs, and they have his -- even when he's pulling a stunt. October 6 ---I caution that the American League Division Series is not the World Series, euphoric as the feeling is right now. October 11--one important Sox executive seems to have his head on straight at the right time. General manager Ken Williams has occasionally sparred with media and fans since inheriting the hot seat five years ago at age 36, but he has a mature perspective about the precious presen October 12-- When they should have swatted away the Los Angeles Angels and turned these world travelers into road worriers, they instead blew a wonderful opportunity and returned to that wheezing mode we saw last month.But letting the Angels wiggle off the hook isn't a proud moment -- and might be remembered as the night that sunk the Sox and continued the futile postseason history of a city. October 13 -- Maybe, dare I say, the rewards are finally coming. October 16 -- You can feel the gathering eruption, a convergence of crashing and booming that comes when 45 years of frustration are trumped by rare autumn rewards. The White Sox, once a nondescript franchise of inferiority complexes and White Flag trades and fans who tackle umpires, are one victory from the World Series.... I never thought it would happen, and if you check your inner conscience, neither did you. October 17-- The team that once fixed a World Series is now fixing to win one. Yes, the White Sox have proved me wrong. They've proved millions of others around the country wrong, too.....There's also no doubt they survived a lack of serious activity at the trade deadline, which could have been their undoing..... Williams received the most flak after huffing, puffing, dialing, roaming and ultimately missing on a couple of would-be deals, but no one was happier by the GM's whiff job than Guillen. October 20 -- What they've accomplished so far is incredible stuff, having established a blueprint for how to overhaul a franchise culture in a single offseason and how to play the game in the post-steroids era. Williams gambled his professional reputation and pulled off a dramatic metamorphosis, making him Executive of the Year. Ozzie Guillen thumbed his nose at the world and became a players' leader for the new millennium, making him Manager of the Year. Reinsdorf proved a ballclub can reach the Series in a major market with a middle-market payroll. October 21 -- They've won with the kind of smart, unselfish, high-character, pitching-and-defense charm that defies everything we've seen from baseball in recent seasons....The Sox are about pure baseball. October 23 --Not only are the Sox in the World Series, they're up a game. No one, it's safe to say, has stopped believing. October 26-- In the top of the 14th inning, well into the fifth hour, (Geoff Blum) lined a solo home run into the right-field seats at Minute Maid Park...Who was smiling more? Blum or Ken Williams, the general manager who traded for him, then had to defend it as his only move? All the while, the Sox are only one win away. Say it again: one win away. October 27 --Wednesday night, the White Sox won the friggin' World Series....One of those fighting tears was Jerry Reinsdorf, who stood in the Sox clubhouse with his longtime friend and partner in crime, Bud Selig, and accepted the trophy. Have I sparred with Reinsdorf through the years? Yes. Was I happy the man finally won? Yes. ...Unlike the Cubs, the Sox didn't choke. They smoked, oozing of Ozzie and melding before our eyes in Williams' test tube.....What they did, thanks to the feisty leadership of Guillen and foresight of Williams, was write a new blueprint on how baseball might be played in the post-steroids era.

I still can't believe the Astros coming out of nowhere. They were dead just a month back...and still just a couple games over .500. What a crap division/league.

I brought this up in a post sometime this summer....only to get lamented for how catchers usually set up. I know how catchers set up...I've pitched in various leagues throughout my life. But at the time I brought this up...I swear...AJ was all over the place and seemed to not even set the glove until the ball was actually being delivered. He seemed to shore it up pretty well shortyly after I noticed it.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 02:13 PM) So should we not be thinking about adding Brandon to the rotation next year? That's kind of my point. Everybody's lamented about how BMac is not suited for relief and is a starter. Well...the same could be said for Cotts. He's been a starter his whole life and honestly it takes a certain mindset to come out of the pen IMO. I would like to see him come up with another pitch or work on command of the off-speed. But he sure as hell may be more useful as a starter than he has this year coming out of the pen. I'm not sold on him being a valuable trade piece either, although lefties out of the pen are valuable...he really diminished a ton of his value this year. I just think it's an option to possibly look at.

The only plan I'd have for Thome for '07 is physical therapy in the off-season and try to keep him healthy. He's not going anywhere. And honestly...for those that say trade him....to who and for who? Plus...doesn't he have to ok any trades?

I'm almost starting to think he's worth a shot...especially if a package sends BMac, Freddy or Javie somewhere. Maybe he's better suited as a starter. I know he was usually put in with inherited runners for the most part...but the guy did not look comfortable all year long. At one point...wasn't that a thought at some time in the past year or so? Leaves a hole in the bullpen...not really IMO. It was a hole with him in there this year.

Yes and tomorrow. Just not sold on BMac. I think KW would have an easier time filling a rotation spot than finding a very good outfielder.

Guillen credited manager Jim Leyland's arrival with helping turn the Tigers around. "He gave them the best chance to win games and did some good things for their clubhouse," he said. Guillen, though, said Detroit's talent was the biggest difference-maker and poked fun at any manager's contribution. "I've seen a lot of bad managers win the World Series," he said. "You are talking to one."

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 06:28 PM) If Florida takes Cora, i think it would be an awesome move by Ozzie to bring Carlton Fisk back to the southside as our new bench coach, while Rock Raines takes over 3rd base. Bench coach?!?....s***...I'd take him as my manager right now! I know most are in the same boat as to why Singletary shouldn't be hired as a HC until he earns his stripes...same as Fisk. I've always thought Pudge (THE only true Pudge in my book also)...always thought he'd be a great manager.

QUOTE(diegotony06 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 10:34 PM) I saw this on the SOX message board and it really pissed me off. Wjat the heack happened to the heart of this team, and what happened to Ozzie, i never thought he would let this happen Orel Hershiser was on Baseball Tonight talking about the Sox (He did the Tigers game last night on ESPN). He mentioned that it disturbed him to see the clubhouse atmosphere and it wasn't what he'd expected out of the defending world champs....he said he noticed players making offseason plans, signs up about cleaning out lockers, etc. This was very disturbing to me considering they are not yet mathmatically eliminated I can't even begin to tell you how bad this pisses me off if it's true. But on the other hand...it makes sense. Seems like they wrote it off a month ago. Geezus....left the yound kids play the rest of the season then if the core has a s*** attitude.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 08:54 PM) I do love it when the Gooch goes oppo. Is that 11 straight runs via HR? Or did they score some last night that I didn't see? Yup...and 16 our of the last 21 runs scored via homer.