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QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:30 PM) While quality is obviously important I think quantity also needs to be considered given the present lack of position player talent throughout the organization. 1 of Seager/Pederson would have to be involved, but I think I might take a package of lesser guys rather than trying to hold out for both. 1 of Pederson/Seager + 1 of kikè Hernandez/Jose Peraza, + Austin Barnes, + Scott Van Slyke sounds like a great package to me. Maybe even DeLeon too if it's Sale involved. You're asking for all their prospects, lol. But you have the right idea. If they don't want to deal both Pederson/Seager or Puig, I'd go for the Seager or Pederson + Verdugo + Barnes.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) I think the Dodgers would hesitate at just a Seager and Urias for Sale swap, Friedman is really big on his prospects. I think so as well. And they still value Puig very highly. That's why for me, I think a Seager, Pederson/Verdugo would be fine. If you can squeeze out Puig from them too, that would be great.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 12:42 PM) We probably already have more wins than the lakers and sixes will have Yep. Lakers have no business winning. Russell is crap. I think his absolute peak is Mike Conley Jr. He'll be a serviceable option more than likely and nothing more. Randle to me is Taj Gibson with starters minutes. They need Simmons desperately IMO. Even if they end up with the worse record in the NBA, they only have a 75% chance of keeping their pick since it's only top 3 protected. Even then, it's a two person draft IMO. Simmons and Skal. Ingram is eh to me.

Diamondbacks are doing things right. Build up their squad through the farm system, then supplementing with stars where needed. They actually went through with a patient approach (fanbase down there allows for it better I'm guessing) and it's working out so far. They need another starter at least. I'd expect them to make the playoffs in 2017. I just rather them give that deal to a younger player in Price.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) WhiteSox currently have picks #10 and #30. Looking like they'll be #10 and something around #25 overall. Any idea on what can be available at that time? Sox really need to hit on those picks and hopefully they are hitters. Last hitter they've developed internally has been who? Carlos Lee??

If the Giants sign a pitcher to a big deal, you can be sure that it won't work out. From what I've heard, Samardzja got the supposed 100 mil offer from Arizona, he put the announcement out there to get the Cubs attention. Cubs quickly decided they didn't want to pay that much to him. They signed Lackey. DBacks were able to quickly strike a deal with Greinke. Samardzja realized his two best suitors had just gone down the pipe really quick. Cardinals didn't formally make an offer to him. Unsure of contact with Dodgers at this time. SF checked in immediately after they found out about Greinke. Samardzja didn't expect to have to get a deal done until next week.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 01:33 AM) Because Greinke and Price just upped Sale's value. You have a proven ace that's on the most team friendly deal in baseball. So suddenly the Sox are going to take let's say.... Crawford as dead weight and more expensive than Sale. Puig on a down year with attitude issues. Pederson who faltered down the stretch. And Urias, who hasn't seen the bigs. Kyle Drabek once was the centerpiece for Roy Halladay. Mike Olt was a Top 20 prospect in baseball as the centerpiece for Matt Garza. Jacob Turner was an important piece for Anibal Sanchez, who led the league in ERA the following year. Gordon Beckham was a legitimately viable centerpiece for Adrian Gonzalez when A-Gon went on to hit .338 for Boston. That's just people who have been tied to the Sox. Look at Profar for a former #1 overall prospect, can't miss stud who is looking like a miss. Or Jesus Montero. "Can't miss prospects" miss all the time. So if the Sox are dealing the best contract in baseball, they get all the cards. QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 01:34 AM) So for the most valuable pitcher in baseball, we get one of the four I mentioned, plus Puig coming off a down year and now with more off-field issues and we have to take on Carl Crawford.....right and I'm the one smoking crack...yah agree to disagree on that one. As good as Chris Sale is, and he's damn great, you are underselling what the Dodgers have in those prospects. You're talking about 3 ready made prospects off the bat. You're talking about their 2013, 2014, 2015 #1 Prospects in their organization, an OF who has proven he is one of the most electrifying players in baseball coming off a down year. Where is the precedent for a team to get 3 highly rated, MLB ready prospects in a deal for an ace pitcher? First number is their Dodger rank, 2nd is rank amongst the rest of prospects. In 2013 - Puig - #1/#47 In 2014 - Pederson - #1/#34 In 2014 - Seager - #2/#37 In 2014 - Urias - #3/#51 In 2015 - Seager - #1/#5 In 2015 - Pederson - #2/#8 In 2015 - Urias - #3/#10 The midseason rankings had Seager at #1 overall prospect in baseball. Urias #4. Pederson no longer qualified as he started the season up with the big league club. And he started off flaming hot at that. Urias is only 18 years old and he's the #4 prospect in baseball as of midseason last year. Puig, even with his crap year last year, has a career line of .294avg / .371 OBP / .487 SLG% / .858OPS / 141 OPS+. His WAR has been 4.9, 5.3, and 1.1 for a total of 11.3 in only 3 years. I love me Chris Sale. He's great. Best pitcher I've ever seen in a White Sox uniform in my lifetime. I'll argue with anyone that he may be the best pitcher in baseball. But you are asking for 3 prospects who have shown great improvement every year, becoming as high as 3 top ten prospects in all of baseball, plus a stud OF who struggled last year and still put up a positive WAR last year, without taking on Carl Crawford's salary on top of that? Again, I ask, what's the precedence?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 12:18 AM) Yeah, Sox aren't doing that. I don't know why they wouldn't. To get 3 potential studs for one? That's an easy yes to me.

Sox have to strike within the first two days of the Winter Meetings, prior to guys like Cueto, Samardzja agreeing IMO. Right now, Giants and Dodgers didn't want to lose out on Greinke and the Dodgers especially feel like this is an epic loss if you listen to them on talk radio along with most media in LA. You offer them Sale right now, you'll get a great offer off the bat.

Sox aren't getting Seager, Pederson, Urias and DeLeon for Sale. You have to be smoking serious rocks if you think that. Your best bet is to get two of those guys and maybe Puig while also taking on Carl Crawford's contract.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) San Bernadino is a super odd city to carry out one of these attacks and the target is even weirder. I agree. To me, if you're trying to perform a terrorist act, it would make more sense to hit up one building with a ton of people in a large city where the US would take it personal. LA, Chicago, New York. That's why I think the 9/11 tragedy resonated with everyone. It was a large american city which killed so many. If this was a terrorist act, why not drive 45 minutes to LA, go into a downtown office building and start spraying? You hit more people without having to hit up multiple places. Therefore your chance of destruction is even larger. You may say, they wanted to keep their lives but the mis-steps made after going home were that of an amateur that didn't know what he/she was doing. QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 12:04 PM) Given the results, it was a pretty "soft" target. He was already very familiar with it, so he didn't have to do much recon of the building, they managed to go in and out and escape for a while. The fact that he worked there maybe added a little personal touch to it. While it may not fit the popular ISIS narrative, it still will lead to the same result with the public if he is found to have been converted after his trip to the Middle East. What makes less sense is this - they essentially got away with it. It was 5 hours which is more than enough to board a plane and be on their merry way. Hell, they didn't close down freeway exits until 3 hours after it happened. By then, even though they stupidly chose to go home, as long as they removed the vests, layed low, they still probably would've been able to get away with it. What makes it bizarre to me is that they chose to go home instead of booking it to Ontario Airport (20 minute ride at that point in time) and flying out to some other city. I still believe it was a situation where the employee was pissed at his co-workers, managers, etc. and it was brewing for some time. Maybe he was promised something, who knows. He attends this party initially to make sure his targets show up. When they do, he leaves. He paces back and forth wondering if he should go through with it. He's convinced he should. He gets the guns and gear and goes for it.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 01:02 PM) A lot of people said that about the deal the Dodgers gave Greinke last time and he outperformed that massive deal, imo. Odds are more against him doing it again, given his age, but he's an elite pitcher. Personally, I take him over Lee (especially since you might be able to get him for less years). Greinke is the type of pitcher that I think holds up better as he ages than a guy like Price. I might be wrong though and unless I was a franchise with very deep pockets (i.e., LA / Boston / NY), I wouldn't even entertain any of these type of pitchers ever on the FA market. Downside is too crippling to a franchise. Greinke has had arm trouble the past two years. I rather pay him 50 million for one year than pay him 200 million over 5

I think it was a mistake. It will surely go bad by year 3. I'd never sign a pitcher over 27 to a deal more than 4 years. The Greinke deal will be even worse, but LA radio for the most part is like "We have to sign the guy. We can't let the Giants get him." I think it's the exact opposite. Every big deal the Giants give a pitcher turns to s***.

Definitely go after him. I don't care if he's fast if the man can get on base for Abreu to bop him in.

Thing is the Lakers really don't have many better options anyway. I don't think D'Angelo Russell is going to be anything other than a serviceable guard. He seems more concerned with the Hollywood lifestyle from what I've heard. Athletically, he's not as good as other PGs. His shooting hasn't been great, and he gets burned on defense. Randle looks like a Taj Gibson with minutes. Lakers should've taken Jahlil. With that stated, they are better off with Kobe shooting them out of games and hoping they get a top 2 pick so they can grab Ben Simmons.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 22, 2015 -> 09:45 PM) Worst ppv in awhile. Another chance to do something big that may attract viewers and get people talking but nope. I actually thought for a second they were going to do everything to make Roman look like a face. Win tourney clean, spear HHH, the beat Sheamus on cash in. I agree. I hated it to be honest. Very boring. Best part was New Day trashing Atlanta or Owens v Ambrose, but even then that was forgettable.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Nov 22, 2015 -> 03:04 PM) Go watch her stand up and you can see how awful her boxing is. It wasnt just one punch. There is video of her throwing a jab where she lifts her leg like she's about to deliver a pitch. Every boxing coach in the fight game is saying how awful her stand up is. Can you imagine what Cyborg would do to Rousey? That'd be a savage beating again. Rousey couldnt get a takedown because Holm wasnt stupid to come rushing in on her, which is exactly what her judo skills looks for. And I like plenty of UFC fighters but I'm not going to fall victim to the Dana White hype machine. He is a POS and watching his golden fighters fall is entertaining. All you have to do is post a couple of gifs. And just so you guys don't say it's one screenshot

A bench coach for the Padres. I would've went with Kapler out of the finalists. In the end, the Dodgers right now are like the Clippers - they're missing mentality more than anything.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Nov 21, 2015 -> 02:12 PM) That Barcelona performance in Madrid is about as good as it gets. Even once they coasted down the stretch, Bravo made some ridiculous saves to preserve the shutout. Yep. Rafa probably getting fired now.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 11:45 PM) With Rose/Dunleavy, we'd look better offensively. Disagreed. I said it in the offseason. When Pax fired Thibs, and didn't get any new players to improve this squad, that let me know that Paxson thought this roster was good enough to win it all and it was the coach's fault they weren't getting it done. Today, even at 100%, they still don't have enough.

Bulls don't seem to secure the rock at all. Jimmy was looking for a fast break before he had the ball. Noah is the same. Niko and Pau also had balls stolen off of rebounds due to not securing.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:00 AM) Kinda seems like a laterally or even downward move for Jimbo though, why make life harder on yourself. I agree with this actually. I don't think LSU is that much of a better job than FSU.

Noah is so incompetent with the ball. Hold onto the fkn rock. That's your only job.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) You've got to start Rodman at the 5 and kukoc at the 4. Rodman/Longley is a joke offensively and would be exposed so bad by modern defenses. Warriors start Bogut still. Longley would negate him. Rodman would play mind games with Draymond and probably get him ejected. Bulls had Ron "The Mitten" Harper, Jordan, Pippen and Rodman defensively who could all switch, had really long arms, could rebound well for their positions and could guard the perimeter. Pippen would probably guard Stephen, Jordan would cover Thompson, and Harper would cover Harrison Barnes. Rodman obviously would cover Draymond. I think that Bulls team could beat GSW. Will the Warriors win 73? I think this is the first team I can say can. Are they better than that Bulls team? I don't think so. And yes, they are two separate questions.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 10:43 PM) That team would barely play .500. Not one of the 3 big weaknesses addressed. Trade the farm or 3 Marlins? Good lord. Ozuna had a 1.1 WAR and a sub .700 OPS and over 100 Ks. Did I read Eric Johnson + for that? Does anybody even look at numbers? Fernandez is great but the position is not a priority. Poor use of resources. Gordon was traded for a top 50ish prospect who was then flipped for 1 year of Kendrick. yes he had a career year...which is exactly when the Sox should not trade for him. I agree with you. On the surface, looks exciting, but we don't need Fernandez. He's electric, but the thing we actually can develop is pitching. Ozuna is meh. Gordon I'm still skeptical.