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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 02:46 PM) Executive of the year with like the worst team ever assembled right now. I'm not totally serious obviously but he's had a hell of a year on paper. As Steven said though, it remains to be seen if these guys are as good as we all hope. It kinda sorta incredibly annoys me that the org would go so big on these risky assets and then put 1st year retired players in charge of their teams in the minors. And a pretty green guy in charge of player dev.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 02:33 PM) Injury risk is a major, major factor. Handedness matters too. Gray is to Quintana as Quintana is to Sale. Similar in ways, but ultimately you know which player you'd rather have. Sure but you are using the certainty of knowing the outcome now and applying it retroactively. It seemed like Quintana should fetch similar value to sale given contract and output, but the market indicators was he was a major drop off. There were teams like the Astros who just did not seem interested at all in Q. Q was lumped together in the same teams with Gray, who despite his weaker performance didn't garner the same freakout. These trades established the nice tier between them, but it was not obvious prior to Quintana being dealt that he would net significantly more than Gray. It seemed like they'd be playing in the same pool of players, but that wasn't the case.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 02:22 PM) Gray is not on the level of Quintana, and I have never really been enamored with Quintana. Gray has injury risks, less control, is not as good of a pitcher, not a lefty...he's a clear step down. So comparing the two deals is kind of a fool's errand. Oakland has given themselves a very intriguing SS prospect who's stock is back on the rise as the centerpiece and two injured-but-talented players that, if they make full recoveries, present a ton of potential. Its a nice trade for Oakland. I don't see how it's a fools errand they were the top two cost-controlled SPs on the market and the teams after gray were the teams after Quintana. We should expect a bit more for Quintana due to control, but prior to the trades nobody was making this out to be some huge variance between the two.

Imagine that the headliner yankees were trying for was Rutherford re: white sox. I like Fowler. I like Mateo. I like Kaprellian. It's fine. I'm very glad this is not all we got for Quintana. I'm glad we got another "elite" prospect. I continue to not be impressed with any other deal. I've liked some of the smaller trades, but in general despite not loving rutherford it's not like there's an example of a team getting someone i love that we had a comparable guy to.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) The thing about Davidson is that he doesn't walk. He used to in the minors, I'm not exactly sure what happened. If he can bring his walk numbers up, the lack of contact wouldn't be as big of an issue. His power is there, but he needs to be able to at least get on base at a .300+ clip to be considered valuable. I'm very happy for Davidson that he stuck with it and can take some really nice memories from this year. I don't see a longterm piece here. Maybe he gets hot again and we say that it's worth the peaks and valleys, but aside from home runs he isn't doing enough of anything else except k'ing.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 10:42 AM) Think of it this way, if the White Sox were in contention, and they traded for Miguel Gonzalez, or Derek Holland or Mike Pelfrey or Tyler Clippard and gave up anything better than Courtney Hawkins, how pissed would you be? And how much would you question the White Sox braintrust sanity thinking these were guys that could get them over the top? I see one case that is mildly compelling - you have a young phenom going up against innings limits and you want to skip him every other start. At this point, if we trade one of these dudes it's a shrug. Getting rid of swarzak, jennings, kahnle, melky, and robertson flipped out most of our expriing assets. I won't cry if we can't get out MiGo. He will be a shrug.

It's not just the actual physics of the show like time and distance. It also is just that it set up years of confronting you with how impossible it was to actually suceed vs those who had power. How those pulling the strings would overwhelm you. And to an extent I see them doing the "unless you are willing to push the stakes" aspect of that, there just seems like too many deus ex machina now. Euron's fleet being this indestructible force after years of us being told the greyjoys were basically a nuisance that largely sucked at fighting (and with onlly half the island). Arya will destroy entire houses. 5 houses will fall with small army in the course of a single battle.

Yeah I have to say the "physics" of this world are being bent so much it's starting to lose the thread for me.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 09:27 PM) What Sam Abbott is doing as a high school pick is so refreshing to see in this White Sox system. Once he develops some power, look out. Yeah, well said. The average is cool, but SSS and Arizona. But the BB:K ratio and percentages are exciting to see.

Brewers defined selling high there. Hard not to feel good about white Sox performance when viewing the other activity this summer.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 03:01 PM) He was horrid until this season but of course everybody credits him for this season and praises him for bringing back minimal return. However I am on record as saying the Melkman won me over!! I do applaud him forever for taking that ball off the chin HARD, staying in the box and getting a hit. In a season where his team is this pathetic, it told me a lot that rich Melky was willing to stay in the game after getting his jaw rattled like that. MELKY is da man. Before this year I despised him however. He hit .296 last year and had an .800 OPS. Maybe they praised him because they watch the games.

Leury thank you.

Going to really miss melky

Things you wouldn't have guessed 10 years ago - the twins sending money to the Yankees.

Leury is in the clubhouse.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) Is it in bad taste to flip a player you recently traded for? Like would Atlanta be hesitant to deal with the Twins again after this? ? Why would they care

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 09:10 AM) Twins got more for Garcia than they gave up Paid the full salary so not that surprising.

Twins acquire Zach littel #22 prospect and another pitcher

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 29, 2017 -> 07:06 PM) Fulmer is a change of scenery candidate for me. I'm surprised to hear you say that.

Not a great night

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 10:15 PM) Did something happen to Tito? By far the most frustrating part of following the affiliates closely is players constantly disappearing with no info. It's like following the Bears.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 06:22 PM) See mark Appel over Kris Bryant... Eh I don't buy that, they had the opportunity though.

Hmm. But I hate the Royals.

I at least am taking hombrage in that we will be able to buy a melky cabrera at the deadline when we are good for peanuts and we will have bullets to do it without blinking.

So, addiction is really bad. However, these are adults, and I honestly don't care that much. I guess if they are doing it before a game it could be an advantage, but unless they are cheating I don't care that much. If they are having really bad addiction problems it's a different story.