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I am excited about Polo. It's an excellent name.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 08:26 AM) ^this. People on here say we should have eaten money to get a better return but you just can't force a team to do that. They figured this was the best offer while allowing them to eat almost no money (just Clippard's couple million and even he has value to us to throw some innings since we need guys in the pen). The Yanks are going to be "forced" to shed salary to get under luxury tax threshold so I doubt this was an unlikely scenario.

QUOTE (MnSoxFan @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 07:30 AM) That game was continued due to a past suspended game. He had that at bat weeks ago, he did not play after they resumed in the 2nd inning yesterday. Ha! Nice catch there!

Yeah I disagree on catcher. For one, no org that I've seen is STOCKED with sure catchers. But everything behind Collins is where our depth is. Skoug, Alfaro, Zevala, Perez, Hickman. More interesting than it's been in a while. SS I totally agree but I think we see a pretty good shortstop enter the system around June next year.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 06:42 AM) Hahn said they offered to eat money with other teams, but this was the best deal from a value standpoint. Unfortunatly, they can't force the Yankees to give up a better prospect return in exchange for money. But they need to get under. There is some need there.

If Sox eat as much of Robertsons deal as we did on Nats proposed deal, I think we are happier with return.

Also God Maeda works slow

Come on melky.

If we were playing cricket that inning we'd have gotten whatever scoring system indicates success.

Man that was loud contact

QUOTE (Sockin @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 08:16 PM) I'm not exaggerating in the least either. There was a margarita vendor that sat in the seat behind me to watch him hit. Sox fans are ready to cheer for something. Just have to wait 2 years.

QUOTE (Sockin @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 07:57 PM) I'm at the game and you honestly would have thought Babe Ruth himself was hitting when Moncada was up. Crowd was Ooooing and Ahhhing with every pitch and there were vendors that stopped selling and sat down to see the at bat. lol I want to save this post for a year from now

Can we talk about Anthony Coronado? Dude is raking in DSL with power. Was a VZ signing for like 350k

Great job Ricky

Looks like a blast there

It is incredible that he never gets a borderline pitch 3 years in.

He's starting to settle in.

Melky has fun playing baseball, so it's fun watching him.

Nice. Maybe Flete goes to AA then

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 04:13 PM) Well, he's 28. I don't suspect he's going to decline from aging a whole lot between this year and his age 29 season, but I suppose you just never know. As for variability, I can accept that argument. Fair enough. Yeah I was thinking more of the vets we tried to bring in like LaRoche for that part.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) I'll be in attendance tonight! Should be an awesome game! Look out for Lasorda in front of the Dodgers bullpen. He was there last night.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 03:29 PM) Yeah, I get it. I watch sports too. I think there is a case to be made that this guy is here to stay now. That case is backed by actual data, unlike the case of Avi, perhaps, and therefore it is reasonable to suggest that this may be the beginning of something, rather than a flash in the pan. That's all the argument is. Then folks started throwing the injury stuff into the equation, when, it probably isn't warranted in the case of Kahnle, or at least not more than any other 28 year old pitcher in his 4th year as a professional. By this measure, should we trade Rodon for whatever we can get after he gets his feet under him a bit? Since he might need tjs? It's possible he's different, but the White Sox haven't proved to me yet that they can identify the players that defy the trends of something like common decline from aging or relief variability. They will probably have to for us to actually make most of rebuild. But for now, I'm much happier that they are accepting the broad trends likely to predict performance and risk for groups like relievers and taking the safer route. Especially when they got imo acceptable value.

QUOTE (yesterday333 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 03:27 PM) Im gonna go top 15 position players and top 15 pitchers. I struggle trying to mix the list Hitters 1. Moncada 2. Jimenez 3. Robert 4. Collins 5. Rutherford 6. Burger 7. Fisher 8. Sheets 9. Adolfo 10. Zavala 11. Basabe 12. Skoug 13. Mendick 14. Cuerbelo 15. Polo Pitchers 1. Kopech 2.Giolito 3. Lopez 4. Hansen 5. Dunning 6. Cease 7. Flores 8. Clarkin 9. Stephens 10 Fulmer 11 Adams 12 Burdi 13 Guerrero 14 Bummer 15 Diaz Yeah splitting it up seems a lot easier to do.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 03:24 PM) Would it be safe to summarize this by saying, if you want to compare Kopech and Kahnle, that relievers seem more likely to lose all their value fairly suddenly than starters? Yes, but there's a second part with Kahnle's value to us right now is as an asset to acquire future assets. Kopech IS a future asset. If they both got injured today it would mean different things for the organization. Kopech getting TJ would suck because it's not guaranteed he comes back stronger, but it's not destroying his value to the white sox. Kahnle getting TJ basically costs us some X on our future team.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 03:14 PM) He does have a point. It isn't fair to put this injury risk on him when the guy has really never had health concerns. Performance concerns, fine. But not injury concerns. Just like you say in regards to athletic, toolsy prospects - they don't all have to be Courtney Hawkins or Jared Mitchell simply because of...Courtney Hawkins and Jared Mitchell. Here's the main point. It's not a personal indictment of Kahnle. It may be a message board groupthinky strategy, but the crux of the issue is that relievers in baseball as a group have had similar issues to running backs in the nfl. THere are a few amazing exceptions of year over year consistency and excellence, but tons of variability year to year in performance. ANd because they are a group purchased for win-now purposes, it is riskier to bet on their future performance being the same or better than a hitter/SP with track record. That is why people are saying to trade him, not because he is kahnle, but because Kahnle is a reliever, and relievers are valuable but risky assets. I like Kahnle. He was awesome to watch. We could ahve held on and seen him become a top 5 closer. But when we are in rebuild modes like this, I'd much rather trade our successful relievers for future assets because unless their performance is immediately important to our team I don't want to hold onto them.