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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 03:04 PM) But they are pitchers who might get hurt, and supposedly that is plenty of reason not to have them around. Great point. Guys look how DA totally showed us!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) That I understand, but shouldn't they think about dealing Kopech? Strike while the iron is hot. Why risk injury? I get trading Kahnle. I just don't get the he might get hurt, look at Nate Jones, posts. Everyone might get hurt. If you get trading Kahnle, you get the rationale that he might get hurt or decline.

It's a shame Mark Reynolds had to work out so well for Rox. I just don't see it being worth it, and I would like to have at least one good player for next year.

After the JD martinez trade I don't think we'll get much back. I'd be happy to keep Avi and take that "risk" as it seems small. If he is actually good maybe it will be like a starlin castro situation.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 01:08 PM) If Kahnle is such a huge injury risk, aren't all the White Sox pitchers, including their prospects? Yes.

I feel like prospect rankings have become pretty good. It will never become a perfect industry since they are grading humans, but i think it's asign of their quality that a lot of writer evaluators have been plucked for front office gigs. The BA guys are at games all the time. They go to high school fields in montana. But they also disagree with each other, so they will certainly disagree with some team evaluations.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 12:30 PM) And his service clock is such that the Sox don't get to keep him any longer even if they waited until early next year to call him up. As long as you're confident that he won't be so overwhelmed up here that it will hurt his development, it's better to get him up here against the best competition and presumably with the best coaches. Because his walk rate is so good, and he strikes out looking often, I'm glad he's getting some time to work with a presumably better strike zone.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 11:46 AM) Tyler Johnson, Kade McClure, JB Olson, Will Kincanon are worth following Good stuff, didn't remember where the louisville pitchers were assigned.

QUOTE (Señor Ding-Dong @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) Nelson Acosta was an under the radar guy I had my eye on after he put up good numbers in the DSL for a few years. Seemingly too advanced for that league and turning 20 in August, I assumed he'd be assigned to a stateside rookie affiliate this season. However, he's repeating the DSL for the fourth straight year and the wheels seem to have come off, as he now has an ERA over 9, a WHIP over 2 and is allowing over 10 walks per 9. My point is, it's difficult to "stat scout" these guys when there's little to nothing else to go off, like actual scouting reports. Yeah, DSL stats seem to be poor indicators of anything. He's the only guy I know of aside from Pineda's brother on DSL.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 12:44 PM) His July numbers in 14 games are .327/.373/.455 with a strikeout rate of less than 7% (though walk rate is just 3.4%) Good stuff, I know he had a walkoff granny recently. I mean Longenhagen's review of him was sparkling, and I like Hudson tweeting out favorably. It's clear he passes the eye test in a way that his performance hasn't caught up, but that can catch up in a hurry.

I would really like to see Rutherford go on a tear. Eloy has shown so much better at a similar level with a recovering shoulder.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 10:54 AM) And there were also guys like Glasnow and Meadows that we would have died for that now have taken steps back. It works both ways. Yes, but in the position we are in, I'm willing to take the gambles of prospects failing than with major league assets falling prior to us getting a return.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 10:48 AM) What does that have to do with it? Q was a 6 year minor league free agent. Mark Buehrle was a 38th round draft pick. Kahnle averages 15 k per 9 innings in the major leagues this year. Rutherford has been ho hum in A ball. Yet Kahnle is sure to have a bad month and be worthless, while if Rutherford has a good month or 2, he's untouchable. I just hope some posters here are prepared when some of these guys (and not necessarily Rutherford) bust. It will happen, yet being ranked #1 on the farm seems to mean as much to some as winning the WS. Who cares what you are ranked. What matters is what these guys become. The Sox staff is on the clock. It's because some will bust that I want as much redundancy as possible in our farm system. But the point with Blake playing hsi way into untouchable status: there were quite a few players in the top 70 or so who some posters identified as risers and really good players that people objected to based on ranking as not good enough for Q. Think Tucker and Acuna. 6 months later they were too good for Q. If Blake shows his talent, a young, talented offensive OF prospect is >>> a good reliever. But I totally agree that at this point we are strictly relying on sox staff. Our initial returns were AAA guys who had been developed elsewhere. THis new crop is A/A+ guys who have quite a ways to go. Can't we hire the diamondback player dev guys who turned out AJ pollock and Peralta please?

If Kahnle was a SP or Position player I would not feel this way, but he's a relief pitcher, and there is too much history of relief pitchers suddenly turning into pumpkins. He has great stuff. I hope he has great personal success. But I am just not willing to gamble to hold on when we have opportunity for future starting Position players or starting pitchers.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:58 AM) KW would have gotten like 8 fringe prospects back in that deal, all superior athletes with no baseball skills. I was thinking more the JD martinez/doolittle deals.

Everytime I go to do this mine ends up exactly the same as the person before it. I realized I'm not original at all.

I basically ignore the pitching lines for those teams. Is there anyone I should follow?

One other thing is the trades of yesterday felt so much more familiar to me. THe trades of well playing veterans for fringey spects reminded me of the bets that KW so easily made with a bad farm system. But nobody was a truly elite player, and we built too much of our team on these types without enough of the big impact guys to pull the weight. Like, it seems foolish now to think that Youk could have legit led us to playoffs but I totally believed it.

If there is one thing as a fan that I have no real bearing for, it's how to value money players are owed in a deal. I think I overvalued the money component with Quintana and undervalued it for Robertson. It seems like if teams feel that player is getting paid above or market price for their services and they are taking on that contract, they are not paying for their talent in a way that we would recognize. I would love to know if there is a system or model that teams use to figure that out.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:41 AM) I totally agree with you and I said at the time both Pittsburgh and Houston were stupid to not be in on that player. I wish them best of luck with the guys they have and hope they in the end are satisfied with how this season turns out. With Huntington he has to deal with being on the edge so much more than Houston. Q should have been a good fit but they have very difficult balance of how many positions they virtually have to fill internally. With the Astros, I straight up just think their scouting did not like Q and they seem to have a very inward looking and confident player eval system that has worked for them. I would bet against them on Q, but for the Pirates I just feel bad. I wish they'd have gone for it but if they had Q would be mired in a nother "just not quite good enough" team.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:29 AM) Do people realize they are doing to Kahnle what we hate other fanbases for doing to their prospects after they are traded? Acting like he sucks and will be a bust even though there have been multiple articles about how Kahnle is one of the best relievers in the game. Uh nobody thinks that he sucks. But, as a fan, I have seen the sox get screwed by a dominant jesse crain losing his arm, nate jones losing his arm, robertson blowing 8 run leads last year, etc. You would be much better off constantly trading overperforming relief pitchers like Kahnle than trusting that they will continue their performance. I respect that system because it will be right more often than not. You want to bet that Kahnle will be in the "not", and that's a bet I don't want to take. How many relief pitchers have been good for more than 3 years?

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:17 AM) Not to mention they are also up against a 40 man roster crunch in the offseason so they need to unload some guys or risk losing them. Maybe Cashman can't manage to do that and we steal a guy. That might make me like this trade a little more. Our rule 5 next year could look a lot like Pads this year.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:50 PM) Honestly I'd take just Rutherford back for all 3 (Somewhat kidding) Ha, did soxfan ever follow up on this? I was at game and had a lot of fun, but missed out on this fun.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:04 AM) What makes you think odds of Kahnle keeping it up is slim to none? The fact that he's upped his FB velocity to 98 MPH, his increased his swing strike % and is amongst league leaders, his extremely low FIP, xFIP, or his relatively high BABIP? Oh, and he's going to be cheap for the next 3 and a half years, while it may take the same time for Rutherford reach the big leagues, if he does. Did Kahnle increase his FB velocity? I thought he always threw hard, i thought it was just swarzak with the increased velocity.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:05 AM) Hopefully we at least floated the idea and maybe the Yankees weren't willing, but I wish we had ate some money on Robertson's deal to get a better 4th piece than Polo. But oh well, hard to be that upset about getting a guy like Rutherford. Yeah this is how I feel. Frazier I expected nothing. And quite honestly the robo/kahnle for Rutherford doesn't seem insane, it's just I worry about putting our hat on Rutherford as that guy. Had we been the ones responsible for getting them below luxury tax, I think we could have gotten a more interesting player.