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I disagree I think the dodgers would prefer Anderson for talent over Swanson for money. Friedman likes big game hunting, I don't think he wants to waste $20-$25M/year on a long term deal for a non-star. Much more likely they do that insane AAV / short term deal for Correa.

Keep their powder dry. I don't think swanson is the dodgers kinda player.

I don't think cartaya happens. I would take my deal over cartaya + pepiot/stone + outman anyway. Rushing is on the way up. I was the original outman promoter, worth noting that amaya is ranked higher than him. Despite that, I still said I wouldn't do it. But i will say mybody rejected the "if the sox do the right hting" scenario where I intended to put swanson at SS not segura at 2b. The dodgers trade their top guys pretty rarely, and may very well try to preserve their catchers with rotating them at 1b. They sent their top catcher candidate for scherzer/trea turner (who had 1.5 years) so I don't htink a closer/SS of TAs level gets you Cartaya. And I don't think another org would give you a better package than Vargas. Unless the Cardinals show up and are throwing around jordan walker or Red Sox throw out Mayer, I'm not sure there is a better team package than the #25/#50 prospects this gets you. And again, I said no to it, partially because there is no outbidding cubs/giants for swanson.

well jose was pretty terrible to start out at first so for this year not sure we are getting equal defense then.

Sox put out a twitter promotional video of when TA was announced an all star and it's just him sitting in the locker room in dead silence until Abreu by himself claps and wlaks over, with the rest begrudgingly clapping after. edit: said dugout earlier, meant locker room.

Mark Payton >

I will say the All Star video was extremely weird.

Alright so if I trade Timmy + Hendriks from the dodgers here would be what i'd go for: I have sox around 177 now. If you trade TA+Hendriks that puts you at 150. In this scenario, we still are allowed to spend $30M, but realistically blowback could be harsh and Jerry could cap at like 165, but in this, we'd say 180. Trade TA + Henriks to LAD Receive Vargas, Pepiot, Rushing, Amaya Fairly certain people will hate this, but I think Vargas likely best prospect we can get. We actually have a decent amount of pitching growing in system, but high end bats are not. Vargas is one. Pepiot should be available this year. Amaya should get you a strong defensive SS/2b with reasonable contact. I would play Vargas in LF/1b and deal with same B.S. we always do. I know, but this is my plan. The right thing would then be to go after swanson. But the white sox thing will be bad. I'm guessing Segura for 2nd, leaving Amaya as SS. He's an improvement defensively over TA, but I think we'd be lucky to get 95 wRC+ out of him and re-signing Mendick is probably smart. If they did the right thing: Lineup Robert Moncada Eloy Vaughn Vargas Grandal Segura Amaya Colas That looks like it could be a top 6 offense in AL if you have regression. And the thing is if sox don't have regression they are already screwed. Vargas is closest we could get to equalizing TAs bat. If the team makes hay, it needs to be in pitching. A staff of Cease, Lynn, Giolito, Kopech, Clevinger with Pepiot moved into 6th starter depth, and eventually a bullpen piece in 2nd half is much better to get through year. The bullpen now is fully reliant on Lopez being good. Basically this is every bit the same "lightning in a bottle" team, except the potential that Vargas has the high end bat so few of our guys have lived up to. Looking at this, I'd say no. And if I'm Dodgers, I'd say no to lux. Muncy / TA / Lux infield is what you need now that you aren't talking about moving Betts to 2b.

I only want to mention that there was such disbelief Clevinger's behavior in 2020 was a big deal but we are talking about rumors the sox want to trade tim cause he let the team down getting a like 2 game suspension for arguing with an ump. And it's believable! I am not a high level athlete (but I did do well in basketball last night) but seems reasonable these players who only have a short time in this league care a lot about making the playoffs and get annoyed when team leaders esp may not be pulling in the same direction.

I mean this is probably right but enough people have been 'promoted to avoid firing' in this org I'm not even sure

Yeah he's very good and if we could get him for a deal surrounding Montgomery it would be worth it. But I still maintain it's really annoying to get value on a Varsho when so much what you are paying for is reasonable control and not straight up talent. Much easier to grade that on a 1 year basis. He is extremely good, but the control makes you value him so much higher in a trade. That said, you are absolutely right that if the sox want to change the feel around their team, suddenly having an OF of Varsho/Robert/Colas with a Cespedes as a 4th OF eventually is a dynamite defensive group.

it's almost like that site is terrible

It’s still hard for me to believe a team with a defense as good as broncos will only win 3

Hell yes rams!!

Yes, the farm was bad. But if you want to talk about JR hamstringing GMs, he wouldn’t let the Sox sign guys over slot while the Yankees and Red Sox were grabbing much better talents. The 2012 cba and later the fixed Intl spending were godsends for a white Sox gm. And Kenny had things that were elite in the game, like the training staff and pitcher health, and for a while his pro scouting. Hahns never been more than avg across any dimension

Tired of the idea that Kenny is a bogeyman when he ran such a better operation in WORSE circumstances than Hahn.

That said, I don’t know these costs but if they can get a Jake McCarthy for our glut of MI and like tanner macdougal, sure

I hate paying for the extended control of non elite players.

I do think hahn would point to like...the yankees last year where they shed urshela and sanchez for kiner-falefa as like a "rearrange what wasn't working" thing. But uh...those players are all bad and the yankees basically made playoffs behind a 5 in 100 years offensive performance.

the main point I'd make is in 2021 for some reason the white sox acted oblivious to the likelihood of how their pitchers barely pitched the year before, including two TJS recoverers and just rode them until they broke.

so wild to me how many actual important sports/celebs read the reply guys. I suppose if people were talking about me I might as well. Anyhoo. I don't want to trade anderson, but i'm not against it. At this point any variable removed that the front office is claiming was the problem is helpful to point back to when the team inevitably sucks. But, it's not like there are no examples of the trading star and still riding fine recently. Andres Gimenez and Francisco lindor for one, though not...in year 1. But all were happy. You may say "but cleveland can scout" and I'd like to point you back to the paragraph 2 above.

no idea if we need AV to trade for Murphy. As just grabbed Doda in Rule 5 anyway who is an interesting 1B prospect. The "X team looking for major league players back" always seems like the most wrong rumors.

exactly.

i will bet $25 of my money that white sox internal options out perform adam frazier next year.

still feel like if I have to choose between signing joey gallo or the sox trading for murphy and still have a strange roster construction I'd rather trade for Murphy. Good players help you win imo.