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sweeney, all the way back to 2007. I believe people mentioned this swing similarity after the first video we had of him batting.

why did i write that before alex was done batting?

I really like the Alex's back-to-back currently.

Big news: " The Sky signed 6-4 free agent forward/center Christi Thomas on Wednesday. "With Christi Thomas we will add depth and size to our front court plus invaluable WNBA experience to our team," said Sky coach/GM Steven Key. "

again, compare Rose's freshman year assist total to Deron Williams. I don't ever think Rose will ever be as complete a PG as Williams but I really think you guys aren't being fair to him in terms of development and comparisons.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 12:17 AM) Derrick wasn't right up there with LeBron. LeBron shot 57%, 54% from 3 and averaged 32, 9 rbs, and 8 assists. Rose had a very good series averaging 27 and 7 while shooting 45% but that isn't right up there with LeBron. He wasn't the dominant player in that series though because his turnover rate was so incredibly high. Rose is a very good player and he will be a great one but he isn't at Williams level yet and I'm not sure comparing them will ever make a ton of sense since they are such different players. Rose is a better scorer than Williams was in his 2nd year in the league but even then Deron was a much better distributor than Rose. deron also had 4 years in college to Rose's 1. The only point I'm trying to make in all this is this line of thought that Boozer will be a 10 ppg player without Williams isn't realistic compared to Boozers career line or the dropoff from williams to Rose. If this was Khalid El Amin you may have a point.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 12:15 AM) I was just going to add something like that, but you beat me to it. Rose still hasnt had anyone he can really lean on to distribute to. The closest he's had in his career is probably Gordon when Rose was a rookie. With someone like Boozer and possibly an actual shooter, I see his assist numbers taking a nice jump. And, again, I'll add, Boozer had pretty good offensive numbers before Williams. It's not like he went from a 5 ppg guy to a 20 ppg guy overnight.

i don't think anyone will actually care that it was chicago because of rivalry. That was really only a rivalry because both cities had good teams. And greg, how do we overestimate the bulls talent. Also, he won't make more money in cleveland. No one makes more money in cleveland.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 01:10 AM) Rose isn't a superior scorer at this point in time, he scores about 2 more points per game but he does so less efficiently than Deron. I think he will eventually become more of a pure scorer than Deron but I haven't seen any indications that he will ever be a distributor the way DWill, Paul and Nash are (but that isn't necessarily a bad thing, just that his game resembles Wade much more than any of those guys). Rose also didn't have the benefit of anyone worth a damn offensively this season though. I don't think he's taking more shots, and less quality shots, by choice.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 01:04 AM) I'm not saying being in a big market doesn't matter but originally we were talking about LeBron and New York (I thought) and it was kind of all over the place. Well, you said that it's overstated the amount you can make in endorsements in big markets v. small markets. Mine focused on specifically basketball and how the big markets can mean more than just the number of people in the city you can make money from but also the markets globally you can cash in on - even if you would grant their national popularity may stay the same. I don't know, I think it's hard to deny. Chris Paul, Durant - these players are nowhere near as popular as they would be if they were on NY, Bos, Philly, even Washington probably. And that means a lot in the big money national endorsements, because they are only going to give out so much. And some lesser players fortunate enough to live in big markets where ESPN will pimp them, get a huge advantage. I'll say the equalizer is for someone as good as lebron, everyone, even casual fans, have heard of him. And my point was that a city like chicago, LA, new york have a global following that adding a player increases interest in those markets.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 12:59 AM) It's more than assists and points. Most NBA people will tell you that Williams is a tier 1 PG with Chris Paul. And they're pretty much right. Derrick Rose is in that second tier right now, albeit a high second tier. WARP shows this, Williams was worth 13.2 WARP last year, Rose was worth around 5.5. Williams also created 10 more wins than Rose did last year. some of them might mention steve nash as well.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 12:58 AM) Strange Sox ... why would he have a better chance to win it with the Bulls than Cleveland? Rose? You overestimate Rose. He's not going to s*** on his hometown and come to Chicago. It'd be less of a blow to pick NY or Miami but he's not going to do that either. He's still young. He has to win a title for Cleveland which hasn't won s*** in forever. He'll be remembered there forever as THE No. 1 hero of Cleveland. He certainly isn't going to go to CHicago where the Bulls won a ton of titles with Jordan. No way in hell he comes to Chicago. Yeah, Garnett tried to be the no. 1 hero forever for the t-wolves. Ask him if he feels bad that he got to leave and win a championship and play in another with Boston. Ask Shaq if he feels bad for leaving Orlando to go on and win 4 championships. The rest is just made up B.S. by sportswriters on a deadline. that "I want to be the Man" stuff is pretty overrated, see: Celtics.

QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 12:58 AM) Does that mean LeBron is coming to the Bulls? Hahaha

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 12:55 AM) Well I thought we were talking about how bigger markets can make LeBron more money, not the other players. Hence my confusion I guess. Well oddly enough the biggest US markets have also been the most damn successful in NBA basketball.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 11:43 PM) That's more for the player marketing the team than vice versa. Jordan made Jordan a global brand as much as he made the Bulls a global brand. What? Yeah, that's the point. The bulls are a global brand because of jordan and it benefits the players on the bulls. Lebron would have an uphill battle to make the cavs and that matters. The celts/bulls/lakers - people know these teams and players abroad. Basketball is by far the most popular american sport globally. When i've traveled people knew who derrick rose was. They didn't know who chris paul was. I wonder why? Think of it this way. Manchester United is by far the best known soccer team in the U.S. That's probably the one a lot of people could name if even just casual followers. Take a really good player like Cristiano Renaldo *also since he's kinda flamboyant and I bet anything he's a hell of a lot more popular than on Real Madrid. This stuff matters. And there's a lot of money in doing s*** like razor commercials in europe.

Hey, so, i'm just throwing this out there since we have a day. How do you guys feel about this max contract + salary cap NBA deal. Seems stupid to me, just put a salary cap and that's that.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 12:29 AM) I am probably in the minority here but I don't think this loss is a big deal. The guy hasn't pitched consistently all season. Sure he has been hot lately but he gave us a lot of bad starts too. I think he is fairly replaceable and we have the weapons to do it. Losing him and gaining a bat is still a big win. oh you mean he's been hot when the team suddenly became a winning team and is within a game of 1st place.

highlight for me is still kanes goal v. nashville.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 11:32 PM) How so? Give me something to actually point out why everyone thinks they are so far apart. Frankly, I am surprised of the lack of appreciation for Rose on a chicago board. In the two years he's been in the league, he's been the best player on his team and basically the best player on the court in the playoff games he's played in. D Rose is 1st in scoring, Williams is 5th D Rose is 5th in FG%, Williams is 12th D Rose is 9th in assists, Williams is 3rd They are nearly even in Rebounds also, boozer didn't suddenly start scoring when deron came. He certainly got better, but not by a huge clip. Nothing that says he can't be a 20/10 guy with a still good-great PG in Rose.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 11:28 PM) I don't understand what you mean. Jordan made the bulls a global brand. News of a new amazing bull on the only team a lot of countries followed means sudden interest and markets in china/europe/south america, etc. that he would not see in cleveland.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 11:23 PM) It's true, I just think the difference is oversold. I don't, especially globally. It actually helps to have had stars before pave your way when you are talking about global endorsements.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 09:34 PM) they could have went with nobody and torched the thing and tried to be a lottery team next year. The way the NBA works it is a crazy but viable option eh, it's only worth it in a really good draft year. 2003 was that year.

seriously, the highs and lows. And my production. oh my god. Leblowjobs all day tomorrow.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 08:16 PM) Bulls brass has actually killed themselves. hahaha

i don't know how anyone could stay in cleveland. Place is awful. Miami i get. I unno. Remember 6 years ago when we thought it was nuts the lakers could add glove and malone? Now teams are hoarding legit prime-age superstars. Sigh. The rest of us are fail.