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My favorite part was saying we should get Marte from the pirates

Board handled the overnight well I see.

Well, you need a good 6-20 with upside. Can’t just be a bunch of 24 year olds 2 years out of college in AA looking like 4th outfielders or fringe starters.

The Dunning deal makes sense now. The deals from earlier for campusano, etc made me wonder how dead weight Heyward was. Excellent job by Padres, but cubs may very well have gotten some great pieces.

The thing is we should be able to tell the difference between adding a #3 starter, average LF, and good closer to a 72 win team and getting 2 cy young type pitchers to a playoff team.

Yes this too. If the last five drafts have anyone feeling confident that they know what kind of QB succeeds, I’d like to hear it. Nobody was trashed more than Allen. Jackson was rooted for but was crapped on for his games against top competition. Darnold was prototypical. Winston was one of the best prospects of the decade. I have no idea. But I saw Wentz go from MVP behind one of the best olines in the league to bust as they fell apart with injuries. I really don’t want to see Dak behind bears oline, I like him too much. (Jk I’d love dak on bears) So yeah if we are late half of first let’s build out oline, secondary and find the rest.

Comps to Abrams on this board man. Soxtalk hated him because he was just Yolmer Sanchez. Now he’s just Nick Madrigal. Lots of research done here with our comps.

I think Sox are doing much better than they used to and have developed a number of specialties. But Katz may merely be making us equal to what other orgs started. I think it’s fair people start comparing Sox to Dodgers, Yankees, rays, Padres. I expect to beat them and think to do so we’ll need to find more edges than they have. Too many on this board will only compare Sox to themselves, and as long as there is progress feel good. But it’s not if others are doing more and faster.

What if instead of trying to get a #4 starter for our fourth starter spot we tried to get a #3 starter and just made a better rotation than competitors.

Of starting pitchers moved, Darvish was my favorite. Where I’m jealous isn’t necessarily for any other reason than sox trying to find perfect equilibrium of budget to talent rather than building an overwhelming advantage with talent. Our offense should be great, but it could have been the top offense in the league. Our pitching should be good without injuries, but we are hopefully able to build a great bullpen and hedge pitching with average depth. Its the fetishizing of Quintana as like, what this team needs that bums me out.

They are far from the lux tax, and that’s the only real spending limit in baseball. Who says their ownership won’t play near there?

Lamet / Snell / Darvish / Paddock / Gore and Clevinger the year after.

Oof Padres still going hard at Yu. I wonder if this pushes Dodgers too.

Probably true. I don’t think Mejia is a throw in, but I don’t think he’s in the top three reasons the rays made that trade. So even if Sox fans start with Kopech+ Collins it’s the latter two prospects that made the Padres a much better fit than the Sox. We don’t have names in our 9-15 range that are going to pull much value. Maybe next year though.

As someone who hasn’t particularly liked Nolan’s work, I thought tenet was absolutely rad as hell. Actually having a sense of humor made the “game rules exposition” bearable and it had so many fun set pieces. I actually watched it back to back nights just to rewatch some fun scenes.

The advantage I have is I’ve actually watched Sox baseball in the last two years

Yes. also when people were trashing Montgomery I said the only thing making me hold my tongue was how trash Mike Davis looked in Chicago vs him looking awesome in Carolina. Bears had more talent than coaches knew, but to their credit they found it...eventually and hopefully not too late.

He’s done a great job but he deserved a worse punishment for the separate database fiasco or cappy deserved less.

Kannapolis will be one of the more fun minors collections of talent in sox history. Insane rotation.

I think the OL situation has been greatly relieved. I was hoping for a free fall but if they win out that’s a win. Trying to hire in a year of 6+ GM jobs plus a poor situation was no guarantee it gets better. Whitehair + Mustipher + Daniels is looking like a big improvement in the interior. Now question is if Bars could be a RT and they can find tackles in draft. Bad QBs behind great olines can be good QBs. They need to see if they can build a great oline.

On the other hand, none of our young guys busted in kannapolis like Bush/Sosa did the year prior

Yes, this package shows why sox weren't a great fit. They got 3 real prospects with a top 20 headliner and a reclamation guy. Regardless of thoughts on Collins, he's as much of a reclamation guy as Mejia with his inability to hit fastballs in MLB. Rays did well, as expected. Padres farm is a huge asset. Still with more to go. But sox with good development have potential to really build good depth for trade or roster by this time next year.

I am grossed out by how bad this has been. Darnell Mayberry is right, there are a lot of excuses and reasons to think it will get better, but it isn’t the players fault they didn’t bring in a playmaking PG or change the roster at all. And yet, being bad this year could mean franchise altering things and a bunch of cap space to get the right players around him.

“. Musgrove feels like a shrewd addition for a team looking for formidable depth in the No. 4 or No. 5 spots, not a team desperately in need of a No. 2 arm.”

Who is taking stuff personally here?